Old Time Pentecost

[The Matt]

There are ways of saying things without actually saying them...for instance if I notice someone talking bad about someone, bringing up something that could be deciphered as a sin, I'll say in a different sort of voice than my normal speaking voice, "Well we'll just have to PRAY FOR THEM about that, now won't we?"

[scotty]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Hmmmm...so when the tables are turned, some folks feel sorry that the pastor's side doesn't get heard?

Exactly, only here, the tables are never turned. lol.



Yeah, you could be.....

who ?? me ?? lol.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Sometimes the wounds heal but the scars rarely do. I am still "disfigured" from my experience during most of the 80's. Of course I was a teen then and couldn't do anything about it, but as an adult I can.

Incidentally our pastor during these years was from that part of Texas your talking about and attempted (and in some ways succeeded and in other ways not as much) to bring this sort of gospel and way of doing things to Wisconsin. SINCE than many sources have told me that he has mellowed quite a bit and even been "broken" because of his pas actions. I honestly hold no grudges against HIM anymore but the situation has left me with a deep "I will NEVER let this happen again!" attitude.

You got that right Randy Wayne. Unlike physical scars which can be seen, these are scars that nobody can see, but will manifest themselves when just the right word is spoken in conversation about situations like these.

A root of bitterness is like a weed. It will grow uncontrollably unless it is cut completely out of the ground. Like I said before, I recognized a root of bitterness springing up sitting right there on a pentecostal pew. I had to cut it out before it took over my household. I knew much of what is being preached over the pulpit that was extra biblical rules amounts to a millstone being placed about people's necks. People believe that tripe and use it to mistreat their brothers and sisters. It's like passing the baseball bat around so everybody can get their licks in.

If Old Time Pentecost ever comes to this region that focuses on the love of God, caring for each other in a humble and kind way, has a loving outreach to others who are poor or downtrodden as well as outreach to the rich who know little about the Holy Spirit, I will return to the building, tent or brush arbor that holds the services.

I desire to be in honest Holy Ghost filled meetings full of love more just the same as any.

What is WPF? I don't think there are any around my region.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by scotty

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?
Hmmmm...so when the tables are turned, some folks feel sorry that the pastor's side doesn't get heard?

Exactly, only here, the tables are never turned. lol.

You do know that the complaints would never make it here if they would have the same love and concern for their brother or sister as they do for their family. If they would say to the saint, "I don't understand why you feel the way you feel, but let's have prayer together to ask God to help us all understand this situation and work through it." Many, many people do not get that small effort.

A good pastor would never deliberately try to cause discouragement in anybody's walk with God simply because one does not agree with his style or activities. It's almost like well...if they are not happy attending my church, then I will make sure they will not be happy attending another church.

[AreYouReady?]

Originally Posted by scotty

I could be a satan worshipping atheist just stirring the pot for all any of you know.


Yeah, you could be.....


who ?? me ?? lol.

Did thou sayest so?

[scotty]

Originally Posted by AreYouReady?

Did thou sayest so?

You never know. lol.

what better way to disrupt an apostolic forum than come on here and stir the pot. Trash preachers, broad brush orgs, stir discontent.

[returnman]

Originally Posted by kclee4jc

I think the reason that this is such a life changing conference is because of the emphasis of prayer within this particular church. I have heard that the impacts of this one church, have reached worldwide. One brother told me that you cannot go into this church at any time of the night or day without someone being there praying. It is not that there is more of God, but a tremendous burden of prayer.

I can certainly understand your point if this is how it is. Thanks.

[KeptByTheWord]

Originally Posted by scotty

Oh brother, If I had a dime everytime this was written.

Your right. That is exactly what this place is for. Its a place to come and dump on people. We are all sitting behind keyboards and a screen. I could be a satan worshipping atheist just stirring the pot for all any of you know. At the same time, we don't know anyone here. Everyone has their own story, and it is theirs and theirs alone. We never get to hear the congregation or pastors side of the story.

(open stage right)

We are told not to follow the great mothership without question, yet we are judgemental if we do not follow every sad story that hits this board without question.

We are told that we are brainwashed if we agree with the "man" made standards of the oh so terrible UPC, yet we are without the love of Christ if we question the words of one person's story.

We are told we should question and turn our back on the organiztion that has, despite it's shortcomings, led many to Christ. Yet we should not question but love unconditionally one person with a sad story of whom for all we know has only led a goat to water.
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(close the curtains)

But seriously, are we ? If I am allowed to question, no, instructed and encouraged to question preachers, pastors and leaders! If miracles, moves of God, and stirrings of the Holy Spirit can be questioned on here as being nothing more than the emotional hype of someone who just got caught up in a song. Then why am I not allowed to question the other side? Why can't I doubt without being labeled unloving . How do I know they are telling the truth? How do I know they are not just disgruntled church members who are hurt because the pastor didnt shake their hand one sunday morning. Or somebody ate the last slice of apple pie at the potluck. Or heavens forbid, someone took my parking spot!!! they know I been parkin my butt in that spot on that pew for 2 sundays in a row, how dare they!!!..

TIMMAAAYYYYYY , brother, I love you. Now I feel your pain.

Scotty, in a sense you are right. Some earlier thought I was a male, but turned out, I am female. It is hard to know simply by posting exactly who we are and what we really think. That is why sitting behind a keyboard is empowering to many. And I believe there are probably some who visit this forum to simply just stir the pot, and cause trouble, and pick out things to debate. Then there are also others who come here truly in need of fellowship, and support from other fellow believers.

We can't all agree - that is impossible, and you have your right to your opinion, and it is as valid as anyone else's. But if you begin to degrade others without truly understanding their position, that is an entirely different matter.

Scars are difficult things, and wounds open up easily, even after being closed for many years.

Hopefully here on AFF there can be healing, and love happening. It can, if we all agree - to disagree sometimes - in love.

[Jay]

What am I? Or rather who am I?

[scotty]

Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

Scotty, in a sense you are right. Some earlier thought I was a male, but turned out, I am female. It is hard to know simply by posting exactly who we are and what we really think. That is why sitting behind a keyboard is empowering to many. And I believe there are probably some who visit this forum to simply just stir the pot, and cause trouble, and pick out things to debate. Then there are also others who come here truly in need of fellowship, and support from other fellow believers.

We can't all agree - that is impossible, and you have your right to your opinion, and it is as valid as anyone else's. But if you begin to degrade others without truly understanding their position, that is an entirely different matter.

Scars are difficult things, and wounds open up easily, even after being closed for many years.

Hopefully here on AFF there can be healing, and love happening. It can, if we all agree - to disagree sometimes - in love.

Ahhh, but who is being degrading ? I am simply questioning the validity and degree of disgruntledness. After all, when I state that I jump or shout in the spirit but am told I am just "following the emotional high of the song" and its really not God." Or I feel the "personal conviction" to not do or wear something and I am "brainwashed by a culture" that was indoctrinated into me from childhood.

What about that Mr. KTBW? What about the degrading of other people's beliefs ? What about telling someone their spriitual experience was just nonesense Mr KTBW ?