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Re: My First Gay Thread
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Originally Posted by RandyWayne
Even if your struggling with it but refusing to act on it because you know it's wrong?
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I would say it different then. If they are saved they are heterosexual whether practicing sex or not. They may be tempted with sinful thoughts, but that does not make them homosexual.
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07-17-2011, 06:46 PM
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Re: My First Gay Thread
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A sinner needs tough love, not mamby pamby grace love. There's "If you have not His Spirit, you are none of His" or "I never knew you, depart from me you worker of iniquity." Those are pretty tough pronouncements. No need to sugar coat it. If you are a homosexual, you are a vile, rank sinner. Period.
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If you ae a liar you are a vile rank sinner? How come nobody says that? But if someone is a homosexual, they are vile?
James said if you broke one law you are guilt of breaking all the law. In other words, sin is sin. Even someone that has only lied once, is quilty according to "all have sinned and come short of the kingdom of God"
Now, in what you said I saw the "tough" part, but which part was the Love?
My point is, with the exception of a few, nobody says it's not a sin. Most gays know the Christian position that it's a sin. Do you really think pointing the finger at a homosexual and saying "you are a vile rank sinner!" is tough LOVE?
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
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- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-17-2011, 06:50 PM
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Re: My First Gay Thread
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I know of at least three Apostolics who were formerly gay. Two are in ministry. One is now a church planter. God delivers!
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I know Apostolics that were formerly adulterers, fornicators, drug users etc etc...
Someone says "Are you comparing homosexuals to a drug user?" No. Im just pointing out what I've said all along.
We are all sinners, all of us. We've ALL sinned and come short of the Glory of God. We all NEED Jesus to over come our sinful nature. The adulterer turned Christian can easily fall back into that sin if he is not careful
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Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
- There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
- The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
- Every sinner must repent of their sins.
- That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
- That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
- The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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07-17-2011, 07:40 PM
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Re: My First Gay Thread
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Originally Posted by Hoovie
I would say it different then. If they are saved they are heterosexual whether practicing sex or not. They may be tempted with sinful thoughts, but that does not make them homosexual.
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What?
So if they're still homosexual, they're just not saved yet?
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07-17-2011, 07:40 PM
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Re: My First Gay Thread
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Even if your struggling with it but refusing to act on it because you know it's wrong?
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Especially then, Randy.
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07-17-2011, 07:43 PM
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Re: My First Gay Thread
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
My point is, with the exception of a few, nobody says it's not a sin. Most gays know the Christian position that it's a sin. Do you really think pointing the finger at a homosexual and saying "you are a vile rank sinner!" is tough LOVE?
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It's tough, but it's not love. Love says "come to me as you are," this stuff he's saying says "clean up first." I've heard that it's very difficult to accept the love of God, that God desires a relationship with them, while constantly hearing about how horrible homosexuality is. It's truly shocking how often it's stated that homosexuals are horrible.
Sin is sin. It all prevents a proper relationship with God.
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07-17-2011, 09:24 PM
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Re: My First Gay Thread
I think there are gay people who use gayness as a way to escape pain but I also think some people might be born gay. There is a lot of biological weirdness in the world now, a lot of strange scientific experiments that happen and the like. If a pregnant woman ingested something that caused some hormonal issues in the baby, the baby couldn't be blamed. Some kids are born transgendered. I just try not to judge. As some people say, let every man work out their own salvation.
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07-17-2011, 10:55 PM
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Re: My First Gay Thread
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Originally Posted by Phoenix
What?
So if they're still homosexual, they're just not saved yet?
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That would depend on how you would define being "homosexual". Regarding homosexuality, I think the prohibition is broader than just gay sexual acts.
If someone is saved, abstaining from homosexual acts, but yet otherwise embraces their homosexuality, they should be counselled and assisted in rejecting it entirely. Through Christ, I believe this to be possible.
If they refuse such counsel and embrace rather than abandon homosexuality, then yes, I think the church should question their salvation.
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I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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07-17-2011, 10:58 PM
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Re: My First Gay Thread
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Originally Posted by Praxeas
I know Apostolics that were formerly adulterers, fornicators, drug users etc etc...
Someone says "Are you comparing homosexuals to a drug user?" No. Im just pointing out what I've said all along.
We are all sinners, all of us. We've ALL sinned and come short of the Glory of God. We all NEED Jesus to over come our sinful nature. The adulterer turned Christian can easily fall back into that sin if he is not careful
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Amen.
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"It is inhumane, in my opinion, to force people who have a genuine medical need for coffee to wait in line behind people who apparently view it as some kind of recreational activity." Dave Barry 2005
I am a firm believer in the Old Paths
Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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07-18-2011, 08:49 AM
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Re: My First Gay Thread
None of us are entirely sinless. Yet we all, being as fallen as we are, are counted as being sinless before the Father in Christ Jesus. This goes for all, regardless of their sinful condition. Regardless as to it's causes.
God doesn't demand that we be "as sinless as we can be". Such insinuates He tolerates some level of sin. God demands that we be as sinless and holy as He is. And that can only be accomplished through the imputation of Christ's righteousness, not any righteousness of our own. This righeousness was paid for with the horrors of Calvary. It wasn't free. And in in Christ, God punished every sin we've ever committed, are committing, and will commit. Therefore no one can say God tolerates sin in the life of the believer. It cost Christ His life and God punished Christ in our place. All of God's children may freely experience this glorious freedom and security.
The cross is a fixed and immovable reality. It stands to save all who turn to Christ Jesus. All.
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