Are Infants Really Born Sinless?

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Infants definitely have fallen human nature (sinful nature). However, said nature hasn't manifest active sin against the creator. Thus they are "innocent of sin" against God. If allowed to live, their sin nature will eventually manifest active sin against God.

So with regards to nature infants are sinful beings.
With regards to action infants are sinless beings.

oh please stop with the inherit sin nature stuff.

[LUKE2447]

What is spiritual death? I hear this thrown around like all the time yet few really explain it.

We know what physical death is.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

oh please stop with the inherit sin nature stuff.

Your options are a perfect and divine nature.... or a fallen human natue (sin nature).

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

oh please stop with the inherit sin nature stuff.

he is actually right ya know. what did we get from adams fall adamic nature.
The ability to commit sin, but doesnt mean sin as already manifest. For sin is the breaking of the Law.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by acerrak

he is actually right ya know. what did we get from adams fall adamic nature.
The ability to commit sin, but doesnt mean sin as already manifest. For sin is the breaking of the Law.

so Adam and Eve needed a "sin nature" to sin? LOL God must have given it to them. The ability to sin is free choice which is given to man.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Your options are a perfect and divine nature.... or a fallen human natue (sin nature).

no we have two aspects of our constitution. A Rational and a biological. Then we have God's leading in which we react to. Adam and Eve had the same overall constitution as we do. Show me where in the garden a "sin nature" was added.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

no we have two aspects of our constitution. A Rational and a biological. Then we have God's leading in which we react to. Adam and Eve had the same overall constitution as we do. Show me where in the garden a "sin nature" was added.

Isn't it strange how Apostolics who appear to believe in supernatural principles always regress into logic and the denial of spiritual truths.

You are a human being. You have a body (soma, physical self), soul (psuche, mental self), and spirit (living essence, self). The body is fallen, it has sinful desires. It's the flesh. The soul is used to pleasing the flesh, and thus develops a carnal mind. The spirit is doomed to death, alienation from God, due to Adam's sin.

Upon being born again, the human spirit is united with the Holy Spirit and is then made alive. The soul is renewed through the study of the Word and edifying fellowship. The body will be regenerated, glorified, upon resurrection.

To gain deeper understandings of the sin nature and it's effect, the regeneration of the Spirit, and our sinful nature vs. the fallen nature... read Romans 5-8.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Austin

And you has he quickened who were dead in trespasses, and sins.

Wherein in time past you walked according to thew course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now works in the children of disobedience.
Among who also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were,[ by nature] the children of wrath, even as others.

But God who is rich in mercy, for his great love, wherewith he loved us,
Even when,[ we were dead in sins] hath [ quickened us together with Christ.]

Ephesians 2: 1-5. Also Colossians 2:13.

I don't like being toyed with by someone who professes to be a christian on this forum, and yet whats to dangle those of us who know the scripture for the sake of their own personal amusement.

This sort of behavior makes me suspicious that such a person is either an atheists or a person who has a knowledge in the bible but don't believe the bible, or, is totally out of fellowship with the Holy Ghost, if they were ever a part of the spirit of God.

Any person who is born again knows that before they surrendered their life to Jesus they had to first realize they were lost without the life of God's spirit in them. But once they made that personal surrender and the Lord Jesus came into the soul of their being they know by that power they were changed and a new desire took place of the old one.

If anyone has not had that change I would suggest they need to to take attention in the matter.

As for this subject I'm not going to allow my intelligence to be challenged by ignorance, I have no more to say in this matter, the bible speaks for it's self and I still in the old fashion way, believe it is God's written word to guide us in this world so we don't get off track by the opinion and philosophy of people.

Paul said. It is concluded that all are under sin.

your post is very arrogant. You also need to be carefull about judging other servents in the masters house when you are just a servant as well. So its good to have your intelligence challanged, no matter what the case. whether your right or wrong

And old fashion doesnt make it the only fashion either.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

so Adam and Eve needed a "sin nature" to sin? LOL God must have given it to them. The ability to sin is free choice which is given to man.

do some research on it, we inherited the same adamic nature which caused adam to fall.

and no they didnt know what sin was until they ate the fruit, then they possed the knowledge of good and evil.

They were given One cammandment dont eat the fruit.
The curiousity of eve and adam caused them to sin.

This same type of curiousity has been passed down from generation to generation.

At this point Adam felt like i dont need to listen to God, i can do what i want. that simplified nature is in us all. and it came from adam. Sinful nature doesnt mean your born with sin, its mean eventually because of your nature you will sin.

[acerrak]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Isn't it strange how Apostolics who appear to believe in supernatural principles always regress into logic and the denial of spiritual truths.

You are a human being. You have a body (soma, physical self), soul (psuche, mental self), and spirit (living essence, self). The body is fallen, it has sinful desires. It's the flesh. The soul is used to pleasing the flesh, and thus develops a carnal mind. The spirit is doomed to death, alienation from God, due to Adam's sin.

Upon being born again, the human spirit is united with the Holy Spirit and is then made alive. The soul is renewed through the study of the Word and edifying fellowship. The body will be regenerated, glorified, upon resurrection.

To gain deeper understandings of the sin nature and it's effect, the regeneration of the Spirit, and our sinful nature vs. the fallen nature... read Romans 5-8.