I didn't throw anything in. Peter did. Why don't you argue with him?
••Did he really??!! He threw in, "You must receive the gift of the Holy Ghost"?? Where's that?
Repent and be baptized everyone of you (including you and me) in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall receive the Holy Ghost.
Jesus also added baptism
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved.
So Mr. Smith are we going to believe these gentlemen or not?
••I totally believe in repentance and baptism and the promise of the infilling of the Holy Spirit!
I dunno, but whatever you do, don't try to get it.
I'm a little scared now, Timmy. I've seen people do some crazy stuff when they get hit with it. What if I'm driving my car going 75? No wait, that would be a sin, wouldn't it, so I couldn't get the Holy Ghost while I'm sinning. Ok, I'll slow down to the speed limit. Still, what if it hits me going 65? That could be dangerous. I don't know if I want this or not.
••I totally believe in repentance and baptism and the promise of the infilling of the Holy Spirit!
Well we agree. however if you believe its a promise and God never fails on his promises, then its easier to trust in his promises than to find an animal to sacrifice.
Since you agree that I'm not adding to the scripture, then we're set
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They were not saved in their lifetimes in the OT because the cross of Jesus had not been provided for the transgressions under the law. Since the atonement of the cross, they are saved.
••Which is my whole point. I think they had it easier.....easier than your version of grace, anyway.
I have not seen anything from your thoughts near what my version of grace is. All this emphasis on trying has nothing to do with my understanding of grace. In fact trying defeats grace and hinders what God has by grace!
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Hebrews 9:15 KJV And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
Again, we talked about this before, tongues are not something we have to do in order to get saved. It is something that HAPPENS ON ITS OWN when we receive the Holy Ghost. Why can't people get the concept that the CAUSE is not the EVIDENCE?
••Wow, that sounds GREAT!!! So I don't have to do ANYTHING!!!! It'll just happen!! When should I expect it??
Just ask and it comes!
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Whatever the case, it is not a matter of trying harder when people believe you are not saved without speaking in tongues. Trying harder does not get anyone the Spirit baptism with initial "evidence" (not cause) of speaking in tongues.
That is the problem. TRYING!
••Ok, I promise not to try. You have my word!
Amen. Just ask!
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Exactly. And that is why it is not a matter of TRYING and EFFORT. Tongues is EVIDENCE NOT CAUSE.
••Ok, I understand loud and clear. I won't try, I won't do a darn thing. One day I'll be walking down the mall, minding my own business and BAM, it'll just happen. I can't wait.
Ask ask ask. It's that easy!
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Were sins forgiven through animal sacrifices, in OT times?
Not in those times, no. Only after Christ actually made atonement were they forgiven.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
Not in those times, no. Only after Christ actually made atonement were they forgiven.
Leviticus 4:26
And he shall burn all his fat upon the altar, as the fat of the sacrifice of peace offerings: and the priest shall make an atonement for him as concerning his sin, and it shall be forgiven him.
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Leviticus 4:26
And he shall burn all his fat upon the altar, as the fat of the sacrifice of peace offerings: and the priest shall make an atonement for him as concerning his sin, and it shall be forgiven him.
Hebrews 9:12 KJV Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Hebrews 9:15 KJV And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
The forgiveness totally depended upon Christ's yet-future sacrifice, and was not truly imputed until Christ actually made it..
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
Hebrews 9:12 KJV Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Hebrews 9:15 KJV And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.
You left out 13-14: "For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: 14How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?" The blood of bulls and goats etc did the job, but Christ's blood works even better. (Not sure in what sense it works better, but I suppose we could read between the lines and consider that it was a one-time sacrifice, vs repeated sacrifices. That's better, for sure!) And still, Lev says what it says. Don't tell me I've found a contradiction!
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"For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh: 14How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?"
The blood of bulls and goats etc did the job, but Christ's blood works even better. (Not sure in what sense it works better, but I suppose we could read between the lines and consider that it was a one-time sacrifice, vs repeated sacrifices. That's better, for sure!) And still, Lev says what it says. Don't tell me I've found a contradiction!
If you really want a contradiction, God will let you assume one. lol
Hebrews 10:1-3 KJV For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. (2) For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshippers once purged should have had no more conscience of sins. (3) But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year.
Hebrews 10:14 KJV For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
Must read the entire treatise. Our very consciences are purged by the blood of Jesus, thus making us complete. The animal sacrifices could not perfect/complete the offerer. So, Christ's sacrifice covered the transgressions that were committed under the old covenant which animal sacrifices could not completely deal with. Therefore, no one was truly forgiven until Christ made atonement.
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