If Salvation is a absolute free gift..

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

ACTS 2:38 = saved you know that. Also yes it does matter as that is the whole point of many. Calling it works without qualifying what is what.

Stubborn, aren't you? lol. I did not say IT DOES NOT MATTER. I said it was not the point in my question. (sigh) Cool down.

[JamDat]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

Really.... so to give oneself to his service is not something to give? Not what Jesus said.



Totally false and pointing to sin as something that has nothing to do with what is be discussed. PAST sin is that. You are not sin you are a individual who has sinned who can choose to serve God or not. Also filthy rags is not a correct context of the passage. Following God by faith which is something we choose to do is a righeous thing and not filthy.



I did pointed out what Jesus said that is the GOSPEL WAY!



That is true but that is not the whole context. Also what you said does not stray from what I said.



We can't be perfect by the flesh. We can be good as Zacharias and Elizabeth and considered blamess walking in the way we can but only perfection comes by the Spirit.



You just went totally to a totalyl different aspect and so typical of reformed theology can't see what is said because of preconceived paradigms. I did not say you did what JEsus did. The whole point is he offers you salvation at a cost. That cost is to follow him and you will be judged in the end faithful or not to that cost.



totally OSAS. It comes at a cost PERIOD! What you just said is heresy!



That is all nice and everything but you are still pushing... I should do xyz but I don't have to to be saved.



He only forgives if you repent of sin and humble yourself to him for forgiveness.



Justice does not mean just the wrath of God.



Does a Christian continue in sin? NO! you have the typical view that we don't overcome the flesh by his Spirit. you can't have both. Either we are no longer slaves practically to sin or not. You makes us slaves to sin still which negates what truly is grace. GRace is the reality of the Spirit to overcome the flesh and live righteously not unrighteously.



Really so the person that is saved and empowered by the Spirit is a wretched person now? LOL Again you don't understand and can't deal with the simple words of Christ and don't understand the debt we must pay to receive eternal life. We are judged in the end faithful or lawless to his call. Many are called but few are chosen. Why? Because they where not faithful to the pledge from the heart to give up all and follow him. Lukewarm did they follow and have faith to do many things but as the church of Ephesus he will have things against them and be cast out.

Luke have you told a lie, lusted after a woman (even for a moment,) been angry with someone unjustly since you were saved? If you answered to any of these then you have sinned. It's may be that you haven't continued in sin, but you have sinned (which is deserving of hell) and He is faithful to forgive.

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by JamDat

Luke have you told a lie, lusted after a woman (even for a moment,) been angry with someone unjustly since you were saved? If you answered to any of these then you have sinned. It's may be that you haven't continued in sin, but you have sinned (which is deserving of hell) and He is faithful to forgive.

If we confess, if we repent. He doesn't just forgive us because we (past tense) believed on him

The Bible says whosoever believeth on him hath everlasting life.

That word believeth is present tense. Its not past tense or future tense. We have to choose to follow the Spirit everyday, or we will sin everyday. Do you believe you cannot go one day without sinning? If so I suggest you read Romans 8.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Stubborn, aren't you? lol. I did not say IT DOES NOT MATTER. I said it was not the point in my question. (sigh) Cool down.

yep... lol

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by JamDat

Luke have you told a lie, lusted after a woman (even for a moment,) been angry with someone unjustly since you were saved? If you answered to any of these then you have sinned. It's may be that you haven't continued in sin, but you have sinned (which is deserving of hell) and He is faithful to forgive.

? what does that have to do with my point? He forgives if we follow him and turn from sin and confess it. That is the continual theme throughout the Bible.

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

? what does that have to do with my point? He forgives if we follow him and turn from sin and confess it. That is the continual theme throughout the Bible.

Some have let the doctrine of grace override our responsibility to choose to walk in grace.. It seems free will is disappearing and being overrided by salvation. Thats what I am getting from it.

If someone says we can do nothing to keep our salvation, they don't believe sin will eventually cause us to lose it. I wish they were right but the Bible is clear, we must repent in any sin we are in. We must choose to turn away.

Someone needs to stand up for the doctrine of free will!

[jfrog]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

Some have let the doctrine of grace override our responsibility to choose to walk in grace.. It seems free will is disappearing and being overrided by salvation. Thats what I am getting from it.

If someone says we can do nothing to keep our salvation, they don't believe sin will eventually cause us to lose it. I wish they were right but the Bible is clear, we must repent in any sin we are in. We must choose to turn away.

Someone needs to stand up for the doctrine of free will!

I guess you better hope you don't die when you make a mistake. That must be a scary thought... to try and follow God all this time and then go to hell because you made a mistake and were unlucky enough to die before getting to repent of it?

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by onefaith2

Some have let the doctrine of grace override our responsibility to choose to walk in grace.. It seems free will is disappearing and being overrided by salvation. Thats what I am getting from it.

If someone says we can do nothing to keep our salvation, they don't believe sin will eventually cause us to lose it. I wish they were right but the Bible is clear, we must repent in any sin we are in. We must choose to turn away.

Someone needs to stand up for the doctrine of free will!

They make grace somehow a exception to God's justice toward us and our sin. It is not. Grace is God's offering to us to overcome sin. We do this by destroying the old man and uniting ourselves in Christ in covenant in which we overome the flesh. Christ's death was about detroying a covenant for a new perfected one in which the OLD has no more authority in itself. Not that the righeousness in the old ovenant is done away. It bears witness to us still it just has not penalty or promise that applies to us anymore.

Free will seems to be somehow a minority anymore.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I guess you better hope you don't die when you make a mistake. That must be a scary thought... to try and follow God all this time and then go to hell because you made a mistake and were unlucky enough to die before getting to repent of it?

= I can be in knowledgeable sin and right before God at the same time having no eternal salvation consequence.

[onefaith2]

Originally Posted by jfrog

I guess you better hope you don't die when you make a mistake. That must be a scary thought... to try and follow God all this time and then go to hell because you made a mistake and were unlucky enough to die before getting to repent of it?

Jfrog I don't expect you to understand how I feel when I sin, but I have an immediate rebuke from the HG. I know I have sinned and I run immediately to pray and ask forgiveness.

God won't let us die without giving us the chance to return to Him. He loves us too much. There are sins that are not unto death also. The Bible lists the sins that are damnable in Galatians 5. Bible terms those works of the flesh.