Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.
Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD.
How old was King Jehoiachin when he began to reign, 8 or 18??? (Don't worry, these verses are talking about the same King)
Keep in mind, ONE error is ONE error! A mistake, by golly!
This is just the beginning of mistakes in the Bible, and whether you or I like this, we must be HONEST about errors in this Book we've been led to believe is Infallible.
OK. So, you believed first, then got the miracles. Now, if I read this correctly, you expect others to hear your stories of these miracles and believe the Bible because of them.
Your faith was of the type Jesus told Thomas about (believe without seeing). Theirs (the people who believe because of your miracles) is of the type Thomas had (believing after seeing).
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Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.
Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD.
How old was King Jehoiachin when he began to reign, 8 or 18??? (Don't worry, these verses are talking about the same King)
Keep in mind, ONE error is ONE error! A mistake, by golly!
This is just the beginning of mistakes in the Bible, and whether you or I like this, we must be HONEST about errors in this Book we've been led to believe is Infallible.
There are no mistakes that can't be unmistaked if one works at it hard enough. Some say the one you cite is just a slip of the pen, in copying, and the originals are both correct. (And they both say 18 years old, since it would be ridiculous to speak of an 8 year old doing evil. This unmistaker has obviously never had a son!) (He does also point out that the kid had wives, so he may be right. Even back then, 8-year-olds probably never, or seldom, married!)
There are no mistakes that can't be unmistaked if one works at it hard enough. Some say the one you cite is just a slip of the pen, in copying, and the originals are both correct. (And they both say 18 years old, since it would be ridiculous to speak of an 8 year old doing evil. This unmistaker has obviously never had a son!) (He does also point out that the kid had wives, so he may be right. Even back then, 8-year-olds probably never, or seldom, married!)
In the past, I've been so guilty of "Smoke and Mirrors". We can explain away everything if we try hard enough, leaving people in a whirlwind of confusion about God, Faith, and Religion.
I think one main human flaw that causes this, is the desire to find "Perfect". We want that Rock, that Foundation, that Job, that Marriage, that Religion, where Perfect IS. When the world around us starts to crumble from Imperfect, we scramble to SAVE her!! There's just got to be PERFECT somewhere!! No flaw, no mistakes, no error, no confusion. Then you attach God to the Idea, via the Bible, the hammer falls. This is IT!! This has to be Perfect because God is Perfect. We start throwing everything overboard to try and rescue Perfect, without realizing Perfect was never with us.
When flaw is suddenly found in this Book we've come to love and trust as being Perfect, panic mode draws us into the trap of "Smoke and Mirrors". We will make the peice fit. We will prove we are right at the expense of being wrong.
People say we might be making a big deal about this ONE mistake, how it's just one number, but I was taught as a new believer 30 years ago that just one word in Matthew 28:19 made the difference; NAME. Baptize in the NAME, not titles.
I'm sure you know this already, but the Bible is full of error. My personal opinion is, to admit this will bring us closer to God, not further from Him. To go in circles about it is a deep part of my past. I've known, but fear kept me from accepting the real truth about this issue.
In the past, I've been so guilty of "Smoke and Mirrors". We can explain away everything if we try hard enough, leaving people in a whirlwind of confusion about God, Faith, and Religion.
I think one main human flaw that causes this, is the desire to find "Perfect". We want that Rock, that Foundation, that Job, that Marriage, that Religion, where Perfect IS. When the world around us starts to crumble from Imperfect, we scramble to SAVE her!! There's just got to be PERFECT somewhere!! No flaw, no mistakes, no error, no confusion. Then you attach God to the Idea, via the Bible, the hammer falls. This is IT!! This has to be Perfect because God is Perfect. We start throwing everything overboard to try and rescue Perfect, without realizing Perfect was never with us.
When flaw is suddenly found in this Book we've come to love and trust as being Perfect, panic mode draws us into the trap of "Smoke and Mirrors". We will make the peice fit. We will prove we are right at the expense of being wrong.
People say we might be making a big deal about this ONE mistake, how it's just one number, but I was taught as a new believer 30 years ago that just one word in Matthew 28:19 made the difference; NAME. Baptize in the NAME, not titles.
I'm sure you know this already, but the Bible is full of error. My personal opinion is, to admit this will bring us closer to God, not further from Him. To go in circles about it is a deep part of my past. I've known, but fear kept me from accepting the real truth about this issue.
We are bizzare creatures, us humans.
In our quest for perfection, we too often become prey to illusion of truth.
I honestly believe that the Muslim faith is a false religion that is deceiving millions of followers. If I had been raised in a Muslim community, I'm sure that I would look at Christianity as a false religion that is deceiving millions of followers. Who is right? I believe that I am, but there are four possibilities:
1. I have the truth
2. The Muslims have the truth
3. BOTH are false doctrines
4. BOTH are truth
In my quest for perfect truth, I hope that I don't become so dogmatic and rigid that I will never except that I don't have absolute truth!
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Brother, I've read your posts here and on other threads and they are full of "Smoke and Mirrors".
Smoke and mirrors? As if.
You said that faith should not require feelings and should press on without signs. That is exactly what you spoke against in your own post about Jesus' rebuke to Thomas. No, there are no smoke and mirrors in my post, but there is some confusion in yours.
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Forget everything I've said and answer me one question, yes or no.
Do you believe there are errors in the Bible. No explanation, just yes or no.
If there are, they are minor ones like dates and so on, but generally speaking, no.
Jehoiachin was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta, the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem.
Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD.
How old was King Jehoiachin when he began to reign, 8 or 18??? (Don't worry, these verses are talking about the same King)
Keep in mind, ONE error is ONE error! A mistake, by golly!
I think they are easily explained by culture, if they're not errors, since their culture saw the mother involved in leadership until the age of maturity arrived for the king.
At any rate, are you trying to say it was an error to read Jesus rebuking Thomas and rebuking satan. Seems like the difference of an AGE of a king, where the difference in the hebrew letters for each variant number is hardly noticeable, is quite a chasm away from a detailed description of Jesus rebuking satan!
Anyway, for you to say Jesus rebuke to satan or Thomas was a mistake, and then for you to say I use smoke and mirrors, simply makes your words fully moot in my mind.
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This is just the beginning of mistakes in the Bible, and whether you or I like this, we must be HONEST about errors in this Book we've been led to believe is Infallible.
I do not think there are errors. If there are, though, they are copyist errors of mistakening Hebrew words for 8 and 18. Check the Hebrew and notice how similar those words are. And I mean the actual Hebrew lettering.
I am just spit-balling here, but I would say you do not want to believe the Lord rebuked Satan and Thomas as He did. It nicely gives flesh an opportunity to disbelieve.
But, seriously. How can we discuss an issue hen we do not have a common baseline of bible to discuss. You claim there are errors in the bible. that seemingly makes you think youTcan dispose of entire stories in the bible. Well, what about the passages and stories you do agree are true? How do you know they are true?
Talk about smoke and mirrors!
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to speak of an 8 year old doing evil. This unmistaker has obviously never had a son!) (He does also point out that the kid had wives, so he may be right. Even back then, 8-year-olds probably never, or seldom, married!)
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