I'm being bewitched.

[nahkoe]

Originally Posted by pelathais

The discussion was about being "bewitched" and whether or not a particular poster might be suffering from such a malady.

My assertion was that no other human being could possibly affect their life through "incantations" or any other "ritual" that is typically associated with "witchcraft" unless they themselves worried too much over it.

The same adversary could affect their life through some sort of direct intervention or harassment. I suppose I might add "gossip" and "tale bearing" at this point as well, though I hadn't mentioned it earlier. But these things should be counted as among the types of "direct intervention" and "harassment" that I mentioned earlier.

In any event, someone just sitting at home and rocking back and forth saying something like, "I hope Mizzie gets a pimple... I hope Mizzie gets a pimple..." (or whatever) will not affect your complexion one bit. Even if they said, "I hope Beelzebub gives Mizzie that pimple..." your usual cleansing regime should still suffice.

However, since there is a very strong linkage between the mind and the body ("psycho" = mind, and "soma" = body), if you were to stress too much about it, you might just end up with a pimple with no "devils" or demons involved. Just you, your mind and your knowledge that someone "out there" wants to ruin your photo on this year's Christmas card.

As far as "human influence" with "the devil" or "evil spirits" - nah. Try this. Send $50 to a witch doctor in Haiti and have them do whatever to "hex" me. Do this because I aggravate you. Let me know and we'll monitor the results.

In the meantime consider the words of Isaiah to the repentant and chastened nation of Israel:

Isaiah 54:10-17

"Great shall be the peace of thy children..." "No weapon formed against thee shall prosper..."

These promises are for the people of God today as well. See for example John 10:28-30; Romans 8:1, Romans 8:28-39. In Ephesians 6, when Paul describes "spiritual warfare" in terms analogous to human warfare, just how does he tell us to "fight?" He tells us to first make certain that we have "THE LORD'S" armor (and not our own - Ephesians 6:13). He then tells us to ... "STAND."

That's it. Wear God's own armor and just stand there.

I believe in the unfailing kindness of God and I am willing to put all of my confidence in Him - no matter what the "witches" and others who "peep and mutter" might say against me. Their words are meaningless. They may as well as never have spoken. Such is my confidence in my God.

The only "power" that those folks can ever have is the power that frightened people allow them to have over their lives. I refuse to be frightened.

I think I understand a bit better. Thanks for explaining more.

[kayl]

**I am sorry for the misunderstanding Praxeas. You owe me an apology for causing me to misunderstand you.

**I am not frightened. I shared with Aquila the events that took place in my home, but I am not frightened. I covered myself and my family with prayer and nothing has happened out of the norm since then.

**Kayl is a masculine name.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Prax, you and I both know you didn't really accuse her of anything. That's a true fact.

However, this isn't a topical thread. I'm trusting that she's asking an honest question about something troubling her. While you didn't accuse her of anything, your words could be taken as a round about way of saying, "This girl might just be delusional." .

You both accused me of accusing her of being delusional.

The point is, I never addressed this person and for some odd reason she quotes you and says I accused her of being delusional

Here is the thing. I made TWO statements that relate to something someone else said on the issue of weird happenings. None of which I said I thought was the case with this person. Neither of you two addressed the second thing I said...

I don't even think she read what I posted, she read what YOU posted and drew the conclusion from your words that I accused her of something.

What about the other point I made?

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by kayl

**I am sorry for the misunderstanding Praxeas. You owe me an apology for causing me to misunderstand you.

**I am not frightened. I shared with Aquila the events that took place in my home, but I am not frightened. I covered myself and my family with prayer and nothing has happened out of the norm since then.

**Kayl is a masculine name.

Is this supposed to be a joke? I caused you to misunderstand me? lol

Are you a guy?

[Flutecrafter]

Originally Posted by pelathais

That's what I said, sort of. If you believe it works, then it may "work" for you (or on you).

you might actually study Exodus like I said, but since you might be allergic
to God's word, I'll post some of the passages here for you.
Then you can read them, and dismiss them.

Exodus 7
11Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments.

12For they cast down every man his rod, and they became serpents: but Aaron's rod swallowed up their rods.

22And the magicians of Egypt did so with their enchantments: and Pharaoh's heart was hardened, neither did he hearken unto them; as the LORD had said.

Exodus 8
6And Aaron stretched out his hand over the waters of Egypt; and the frogs came up, and covered the land of Egypt.

7And the magicians did so with their enchantments, and brought up frogs upon the land of Egypt.

17And they did so; for Aaron stretched out his hand with his rod, and smote the dust of the earth, and it became lice in man, and in beast; all the dust of the land became lice throughout all the land of Egypt.

18And the magicians did so with their enchantments to bring forth lice, but they could not: so there were lice upon man, and upon beast.

19Then the magicians said unto Pharaoh, This is the finger of God: and Pharaoh's heart was hardened, and he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had said



So, according to the Word of God, magik works, but no magik is a match
for the power of the Lord.

[Sister Alvear]

Originally Posted by Flutecrafter

you might actually study Exodus like I said, but since you might be allergic
to God's word, I'll post some of the passages here for you.
Then you can read them, and dismiss them.

Exodus 7
11Then Pharaoh also called the wise men and the sorcerers: now the magicians of Egypt, they also did in like manner with their enchantments.

12For they cast down every man his rod, and they became serpents: but Aaron's rod swallowed up their rods.

22And the magicians of Egypt did so with their enchantments: and Pharaoh's heart was hardened, neither did he hearken unto them; as the LORD had said.

Exodus 8
6And Aaron stretched out his hand over the waters of Egypt; and the frogs came up, and covered the land of Egypt.

7And the magicians did so with their enchantments, and brought up frogs upon the land of Egypt.

17And they did so; for Aaron stretched out his hand with his rod, and smote the dust of the earth, and it became lice in man, and in beast; all the dust of the land became lice throughout all the land of Egypt.

18And the magicians did so with their enchantments to bring forth lice, but they could not: so there were lice upon man, and upon beast.

19Then the magicians said unto Pharaoh, This is the finger of God: and Pharaoh's heart was hardened, and he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had said



So, according to the Word of God, magik works, but no magik is a match
for the power of the Lord.

While we all agree that our powerful Lord IS Lord over all, billions of people live in fear of witchcraft, witchdoctors and and their lives are bound by fear.

Thank God for the knowledge of THE BLOOD....

[Sister Alvear]

and for over 42 years I have worked in a country blinded by devil worship...I could tell a lot of stories but you would probably have to understand Brazilian culture to understand them to their full extent...

Yes, the devil is REAL but we serve a GOD far more powerful than the works of darkness....

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

and for over 42 years I have worked in a country blinded by devil worship...I could tell a lot of stories but you would probably have to understand Brazilian culture to understand them to their full extent...

Yes, the devil is REAL but we serve a GOD far more powerful than the works of darkness....

Amen!

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

What about the other point I made?

Here's what I think you're refering to...

Originally Posted by Praxeas

But what IF a person is believing themselves into a delusion? In other words maybe it's not really happening or it's exaggeration or delusion or some other explainable phenomena?

I'd say we know that this does happen. That's why I normally want to see or experience what they are talking about myself before I go hunting down something that isn't really there. That's just my approach.

Or for that matter what if it really is a spirit but never would have been able to do anything except for the superstitious nature of the inhabitants of the home?

I don't believe that a persons religious beliefs or superstitions prevent spirits from doing things. If a spirit wants to trouble someone, they will. However, those who know the Lord do have authority to combat such spirits.

[Sister Alvear]

and from the dark world of devil worship and witchdoctors today we have blood washed saints and pastors...Thank God for His power that breaks chains. His power that sets people free from such a fearful religion full of traditions and customs that many of them cannot even explain.