Burning the Koran

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Mr. Steinway

This a FEW (maybe a hundred+?) frenzied Christian maniacs compared to millions of Muslim frenzied maniacs! Also, as far as I know, nobody has been executed or car bombed by this Christian maniac group! Don't expect the same from the Muslims!

They will burn 400 cars in Paris in a violent outburst.
They have a very sensitive trigger or flash point.

[Esther]

Islam is upset that one group wants to burn their koran while they have used our Bibles for toliet paper!

[StillStanding]

The mosque at ground zero and the Koran burning are linked by the same freedom of speech arguments.

It's amazing to me to see the hypocrisy from those who think one is right and the other is wrong! BOTH are inflammatory acts protected by freedom of speech, and I hope officials find a way to prevent both from happening.

[Scott Hutchinson]

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[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Does an American have the right to say or do something that might endanger the life, liberty, or property of another American? I'd be in costody for yelling "Fire" in a crowded public place. I couldn't argue, "Free Speech". I have the right to drink and being licensed, I can drive. However, I can't drink and drive endangering the lives of others. Liberty isn't a free for all. If one's actions endangers the life, liberty, or property of another there should be a way to address it.

I think you're looking at it from the wrong end. Of course Muslims will not react negatively to building the mosque.

I wasn't comparing Muslim reaction to Muslim reaction. I was comparing the Muslim reaction to the Quran burning to the Christian reaction to the mosque building.

However, the philosophical underpinnings of Islam will see it as a "victory", thus emboldening our enemies. They'll see it as a victory at the hands of Allah. Also, building the mosque might incite violent reprisals against Muslim citizens. It's a serious concern.

In a way... what this pastor is doing is as bad or worse than Muslims wanting to build a mosque adjacent to Ground Zero.

I agree with you. I'm just saying that those who have been supportive of the mosque are hypocritical to turn around and malign the pastor. It's conservatives who have been largely opposing the mosque (but there are some libs who oppose it, too.), and those same conservatives have spoken out against the pastor's actions. Conversely, liberals who have supported the mosque are now speaking out against the pastor. So who's being inconsistent here?

[Scott Hutchinson]

Now maybe the true colors of the nice nicey Muslims are showing ?
Would there be an uproar if Muslims were burning bibles ?

[Scott Hutchinson]

I don't advocate what the pastor is doing,and I think we should find better ways to take a stand,but it's high time for Christians to awaken out of our slumber.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Ah... but condemning the foolish actions of another is freedom of speech also. Calling on the authorities to look into legal options to stop him is freedom of speech also. We can condemn flag burning, Bible burning, offensive art and anything we feel is vial. That's our right.

Absolutely, Aquila. I support that right, and I use that right all the time.

Now... I know for a FACT that bulletons are being sent to law enforcement and aviation security personel to be extra vigilent because of feared reprisals to this man's actions. This isn't a joke. It's dangerous. One could argue yelling "Fire" in a crowded public place isn't wrong because no one knows if someone will get hurt yet. But it's still illegal.

Flag burning, Bible burning, and offenseive art doesn't endanger the life, liberties, or property of another. Inciting violent reprisals by burning a Koran or yelling FIRE in a crowded place does.




If you can rationalize supporting him, you've obviously rationalized how to respond to the possiblity of lives lost.

I'm not rationalizing supporting him--I'm just saying that it's hypocritical to condemn him without condemning a whole laundry list of other things for the same reason--at least from the perspective of liberal politics. At this point in the United States, our citizens have the right to be idiots.

I agree with you that what he's doing is FAR more dangerous than those seeking to build a mosque, at least in the immediate future. The reasons for that are obvious, because an extremist Muslim response to offense is far more volatile than the conservative/Christian response to offense.

Exactly. Thus we should denounce and condemn this pastor. I'd yank his license and file public endangerment charges against him at the very least.

In my opinion, the only valid reason for taking legal action would be for endangering our troops in some way. It bothers me, though, that a terrorist response to one of our freedoms being exercised by one of our citizens would cause us to limit that freedom. That's really handing them another victory.

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by Mr. Steinway

The mosque at ground zero and the Koran burning are linked by the same freedom of speech arguments.

It's amazing to me to see the hypocrisy from those who think one is right and the other is wrong! BOTH are inflammatory acts protected by freedom of speech, and I hope officials find a way to prevent both from happening.

Hold on, you say both are protected by freedom of speech, and yet in the next breath you hope officials stop them? Those two things don't go hand in hand.

Imam Rauf has a right to build a cultural center wherever he legally can, and Terry Jones has a right to burn whatever he legally can.

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by Scott Hutchinson

Now maybe the true colors of the nice nicey Muslims are showing ?
Would there be an uproar if Muslims were burning bibles ?

Yes, some Muslim extremists will probably retaliate when this happens, just as some extremists of the Christian faith have retaliated against the cultural center being built.