I will say this one more time. I guess using the word shocked was wrong in my part. Im not shocked they think I have taken a step back nor am I shocked they are praying for me.
Im upset they would treat me the way they are since I have been a part of them so long. I thought our relationship was much deeper than that and Im upset I would be labeled as though Im going to burn in hell because I VISITED A CHURCH.
For those of you who say Im bashing them for this is incorrect, Im not bashing Im just confused by their actions. Again its ok they are shocked but its NOT OK TO TREAT ME SO BADLY...THAT IS NOT CHRIST LIKE!!
I love them and eventually they will see that Im not leaving God just and that I am still as much Christian as I even have been. I dont want there to be hurt between us!
SIDE NOTE: People have always know how I feelwhen it comes to the standards of the church, even my pastor but as long as I did as expected I was ok. It was fine I had those opinions as long as I didnt teach them or give my opinion to often but now that I have decided to Possibly to go soemwhere I can live my opinion I am hell bound...COME ON NOW..REALLY
I've had those conversations about others too. But when you're going through it yourself, it's on a whole different level. And yes, the things that come out of people during that time is deep ugliness. It's quite shocking.
yep and you can be the nice guy and hug the fellow.
I will be the one who shakes him and asks him what in the world did he expect????
and remember this guy has been a leader in the conservative church.
he aint a back bencher. I do not buy that he didnt know what was coming.
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and there is a very big difference between a new converts response to something and a full grown man in leadership taking a new direction.
i would be soft and sweet to the new convert.
grown men need to act like it. (Like Paul said, get off the milk!)
(oh and I have a TV)
Quit! Stop with proving how liberal you are. It means squat to me. You have me pegged wrong, if you think that's what I'm all about.
New convert or old convert, he's a brother. Telling him to shut up and man up isn't appropriate. Over-analyzing, second-guessing and skeptically and emotionless explaining why you're shocked that he's shocked is heartless.
Truth is never cold-blooded and heartless. Please explain yourself.
Pass the chewing tobacco. You guys are REAL MEN. We are all so impressed.
Instead of words of comfort, you push him down with your boot and tell him to be a "real man." Beautiful. So proud of you. Hope you don't pastor like that too.
In a sense, Ferd is giving the real world view. For whatever reason, the people at the church that he left will say what they're going to say, and there's nothing he can do about it but pay attention or ignore it. That is the price one pays when they leave a close knit community like that in favor of something they perceive to be better.
Time to man up and move on, or humbly retreat! There's nothing in between.
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See, this is where your liberal blinders have you all messed up.
I am not defending anyone.
i am telling a guy that is "shocked and hurt" that he isn't hurt and he should not be shocked.
He taught these people! he knows them! If he is part of a con church and a leader, he has had conversations about people "who have gone charismatic"
so now when he is headed that direction there should be no shock!
Do I think the cons who are praying for his soul are right? Ive answerd that, I would not be going to that church.
Do I understand their behavior? without question. this is what they are taught. it is what they understand. one of thiers is walking away. I expect they feel aweful about it.
yep and everyone has a line they have by which they should react with prayer and concern for the soul of the individual if they feel they are letting down on things they should believe.
In a sense, Ferd is giving the real world view. For whatever reason, the people at the church that he left will say what they're going to say, and there's nothing he can do about it but pay attention or ignore it. That is the price one pays when they leave a close knit community like that in favor of something they perceive to be better.
Time to man up and move on, or humbly retreat! There's nothing in between.
yep and you can be the nice guy and hug the fellow.
I will be the one who shakes him and asks him what in the world did he expect????
and remember this guy has been a leader in the conservative church.
he aint a back bencher. I do not buy that he didnt know what was coming.
You are progressively changing your tone as we go here. And I applaud you for that. Just wish you'd "man up" to your original post. It wasn't in the tenor of one giving advice.
Again, knowledge and existential reality are two different things. Can you understand that yet??? I can know gossip is hurtful. I can experience gossip and be shocked by how hurtful it is.
Jeff, this person has been in leadership in a church that teaches standards. That means that he was in a position to teach standards. Possibly that he may have had to sign a paper that he will adhere to these standards. Probably heard that those women who cut their hair or wear pants are out of the will of God and are lost. Now he is leaving (or thinking of leaving) this conservative church. He has spoken to his pastor and even visited another church that doesn't teach standards are salvational. I find it somewhat suspect that he would be shocked that some of the folks from the church he was leaving would consider him backslidden.
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And passing them off as not trivial and praying for his soul is a whole different level. Either way, maybe he never realized how nasty these sweet little people he called his family could be. Why does he have no room here for that? That's what this forum is saying. "Man up, own up, get out of here. We don't believe you. Surprised? How can you be. Shame on you." It's ridiculous.
It's not ridiculous. This is a person who is in leadership and is leaving because he/she disagrees with doctrine. A doctrine which is considered essential to salvation. What did he in all seriousness think would come of his decision to leave under these conditions?
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Relating his emotions of how he is experiencing this should be expected by many of you as well. So try having patience and showing a little love before you make a rush to judgement
I'm not condoning those who call him backslidden but I'm not calling them "hooded cultists" either. Who 's the one rushing to judgement?
Maybe this person came here to get sympathy and a pat on the back but maybe it is a good thing to have constructive criticism so that he can analyze his motives and see clearly what a honet's nest he has stirred up in his church.
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So you don't think people would pray for someone going to a conservative church from a liberal church and warn with sharp rebuke that they might be falling from grace? You act like this is one way. I have seen liberals not want to be around people in the SAME church when they went from conservative to liberal and the conservatives never say anything negative. Yet what did you hear.... constant getting the conservatives to go there way and undermining anything a conservative person would say. If you where not in the liberal click they would not ask you because you might be a fun stopper and they might not do what they wanted to do because you might refrain nicely without causing a stir. Don't give me the the BAD CONSERVTIVE TRASH! It happens on both sides!
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I will say this one more time. I guess using the word shocked was wrong in my part. Im not shocked they think I have taken a step back nor am I shocked they are praying for me.
Im upset they would treat me the way they are since I have been a part of them so long. I thought our relationship was much deeper than that and Im upset I would be labeled as though Im going to burn in hell because I VISITED A CHURCH.
For those of you who say Im bashing them for this is incorrect, Im not bashing Im just confused by their actions. Again its ok they are shocked but its NOT OK TO TREAT ME SO BADLY...THAT IS NOT CHRIST LIKE!!
I love them and eventually they will see that Im not leaving God just and that I am still as much Christian as I even have been. I dont want there to be hurt between us!
You shouldnt be shocked. go back and re-read what I am saying here. This is fully to be expected and I dont know how you have avoided ever seeing it before.
Make your change and do what you think is right for your family (and dont take a big old bunch of time doing it either).
Time will prove all things but dont be shocked when these people do what is natural for them to do. You know full well, that you are going against things they hold very dear to them and many consider to be salvation issues.
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