When Are We Forgiven? - Page 12

Pressing-On · #**111** 03-23-2010, 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Cindy

What did you done did wrong?

Nuthin, girl!!! I never do anything wrong!!!!

pelathais · #**112** 03-23-2010, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by BeenThinkin

Some folks read Eph 4:28 like this....

Eph 4:28* Let him that stole, steal: no more working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

Right reading.....

Eph 4:28* Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth.

BeenThinkin

Pretty good, BT.

Jermyn Davidson · #**113** 03-23-2010, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

There was a statement made on another thread concerning when forgiveness takes place. So I thought I'd post the statement here and see the response.

Here's the statement that was made:

"Forgiveness does not take place at repentance. It happens at baptism:

Agree or disagree?

I disagree.

Sam · #**114** 03-23-2010, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by notofworks

There was a statement made on another thread concerning when forgiveness takes place. So I thought I'd post the statement here and see the response.

Here's the statement that was made:

"Forgiveness does not take place at repentance. It happens at baptism:

Agree or disagree?

I disagree.
My opinion is that forgiveness/remission happens at repentance and that water baptism follows for/because of the remission/forgiveness of sins.

Pressing-On · #**115** 03-23-2010, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

I disagree.
My opinion is that forgiveness/remission happens at repentance and that water baptism follows for/because of the remission/forgiveness of sins.

I can't agree with that, Sam. All of the translations that I read say the same thing - Repent and be baptized in order the receive forgiveness. You must do both. He then does His part by filling us with His Spirit which is the earnest of our inheritance.

Acts 2:38 (Contemporary English Version)
"Peter said, "Turn back to God! Be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, so that your sins will be forgiven. Then you will be given the Holy Spirit."

Acts 2:38 (English Standard Version)
"And Peter said to them,(A) "Repent and(B) be baptized every one of you(C) in the name of Jesus Christ(D) for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive(E) the gift of the Holy Spirit."

Acts 2:38 (The Message)
"Peter said, "Change your life. Turn to God and be baptized, each of you, in the name of Jesus Christ, so your sins are forgiven. Receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."

Acts 2:38 (New International Version)
"Peter replied, "Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."

Acts 2:38 (New American Standard Bible)
"Peter said to them, "(A)Repent, and each of you be (B)baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit."

Sam · #**116** 03-23-2010, 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

I disagree.
My opinion is that forgiveness/remission happens at repentance and that water baptism follows for/because of the remission/forgiveness of sins.

Howard Goss, first General Superintendent of the UPC believed that also and so did many Apostolic ministers and teachers.

This is from an article titled “The Blood Covenant” by Howard A. Goss which appeared in the June 1954 Pentecostal Herald, pages 6 and 10

... repentance brings the blood of Jesus to a sinner’s heart to wipe out and cleanse him from all sin, he should then be baptized in water as a confession of his faith in the atonement...

When a sinner fully repents and confesses before God, the blood of Jesus atones for his sins , and cleanses his heart from all sin, and when he is clean then only is he a fit subject for water baptism. After that comes the promise “…you shall receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost…” (Acts 2:38)

The blood and power of the Lord Jesus is the only source of regeneration or the New Birth. Water baptism alone has no power to remit sins, else we could baptize infants as do the Catholics. The Roman Catholic teaches regeneration by water baptism, but it is not according to the Word of God. A candidate for baptism in water should be baptized BECAUSE THE BLOOD has cleansed, remitted, forgiven his sins, and not in order to get them remitted, as WATER ALONE CANNOT WASH AWAY SINS. The old hymn goes:
What can wash away my sins,
Nothing but the Blood of Jesus.

Pressing-On · #**117** 03-23-2010, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Howard Goss, first General Superintendent of the UPC believed that also and so did many Apostolic ministers and teachers.

This is from an article titled “The Blood Covenant” by Howard A. Goss which appeared in the June 1954 Pentecostal Herald, pages 6 and 10

... repentance brings the blood of Jesus to a sinner’s heart to wipe out and cleanse him from all sin, he should then be baptized in water as a confession of his faith in the atonement...

When a sinner fully repents and confesses before God, the blood of Jesus atones for his sins , and cleanses his heart from all sin, and when he is clean then only is he a fit subject for water baptism. After that comes the promise “…you shall receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost…” (Acts 2:38)

The blood and power of the Lord Jesus is the only source of regeneration or the New Birth. Water baptism alone has no power to remit sins, else we could baptize infants as do the Catholics. The Roman Catholic teaches regeneration by water baptism, but it is not according to the Word of God. A candidate for baptism in water should be baptized BECAUSE THE BLOOD has cleansed, remitted, forgiven his sins, and not in order to get them remitted, as WATER ALONE CANNOT WASH AWAY SINS. The old hymn goes:
What can wash away my sins,
Nothing but the Blood of Jesus.

Sam,
I can't read what someone else wrote, UPC or no. I must know what the Bible is saying. I must believe the above translations, that I cited, before I believe anything else.

berkeley · #**118** 03-23-2010, 10:31 PM

PO, at the risk of sounding PCI... the commas have a whole lot to do with it.

Pressing-On · #**119** 03-23-2010, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Berkley

PO, at the risk of sounding PCI... the commas have a whole lot to do with it.

Berk,
The Bible doesn't use this wording that Goss used, with all due respect - "... repentance brings the blood of Jesus to a sinner’s heart to wipe out and cleanse him from all sin, he should then be baptized in water as a confession of his faith in the atonement..."

It just simply says this:

Acts 2:38 (Contemporary English Version)
"Peter said, "Turn back to God! Be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, so that your sins will be forgiven. Then you will be given the Holy Spirit."

berkeley · #**120** 03-23-2010, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Acts 2:38 (Contemporary English Version)
"Peter said, "Turn back to God! Be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, so that your sins will be forgiven. Then you will be given the Holy Spirit."

In your opinion, is there a difference in:

Turn back to God! Be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ (comma) so that your sins will be forgiven.

AND THIS:
Turn back to God! Be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ (no comma) so that your sins will be forgiven.