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[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Light

For such a self proclaimed highly educated person you seem to have a small problem with comprehension. Read it slowly, maybe that will help you comprehend. Because you are having difficulty comprehending I will try best to help you. I am responding to one who does not believe God can speak through someone with no jaw. There are night classes available if you would care to learn more.

Now you'll have to show me the post where I've "proclaimed" myself to even be "educated" at all.

Read both posts - slowly, or have someone read them to you. I said that the woman who physically had no tongue had received the baptism of the Holy Ghost without your "evidence."

You disagreed, at the time. Have you changed your opinion?

[Light]

Originally Posted by Brother David

Now you'll have to show me the post where I've "proclaimed" myself to even be "educated" at all.

Read both posts - slowly, or have someone read them to you. I said that the woman who physically had no tongue had received the baptism of the Holy Ghost without your "evidence."

You disagreed, at the time. Have you changed your opinion?

I said and I will say it again. God is able to make a person with no tongue, no jaw or no any thing else speak in tongues. I have seen and heard the deaf and dumb receive the Holy Ghost. If a person does not speak in tongues they did not receive the Holy Ghost. Tongues are the evidence that one has received the Holy Ghost.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Light

I said and I will say it again. God is able to make a person with no tongue, no jaw or no any thing else speak in tongues. I have seen and heard the deaf and dumb receive the Holy Ghost. If a person does not speak in tongues they did not receive the Holy Ghost. Tongues are the evidence that one has received the Holy Ghost.

There is a Trinitarian Pentecostal group in Sao Paulo Brazil called God Is Love.
They have an evangelist who had his tongue cut out when he was a drug dealer. The story goes, that when this chap later in his life received the Holy Ghost he spoke in tongues. I'm also told that he preaches like a man who has a tongue, and has been on Brazilian television showing the camera that he indeed has no tongue.

Jesus made blind men see, and the dumb to speak.

Just because some lack the evidence of dead being raised, and the blind see, doesn't mean it is not true. The Bible is our source of evidence to what we believe. If the scripture says we speak in tongues, then by Jiminy, we speak in tongues.



In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Light

I said and I will say it again. God is able to make a person with no tongue, no jaw or no any thing else speak in tongues. I have seen and heard the deaf and dumb receive the Holy Ghost. If a person does not speak in tongues they did not receive the Holy Ghost. Tongues are the evidence that one has received the Holy Ghost.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

There is a Trinitarian Pentecostal group in Sao Paulo Brazil called God Is Love.
They have an evangelist who had his tongue cut out when he was a drug dealer. The story goes, that when this chap later in his life received the Holy Ghost he spoke in tongues. I'm also told that he preaches like a man who has a tongue, and has been on Brazilian television showing the camera that he indeed has no tongue.

Jesus made blind men see, and the dumb to speak.

Just because some lack the evidence of dead being raised, and the blind see, doesn't mean it is not true. The Bible is our source of evidence to what we believe. If the scripture says we speak in tongues, then by Jiminy, we speak in tongues.



In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

So this woman did not receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost then and died lost? Is that what you are saying?

[MrMasterMind]

So what is the minimum number of words necessary, or do just unknown syllables count?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Brother David

So this woman did not receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost then and died lost? Is that what you are saying?

Since you don't believe that speaking in tongues is the initial sign of the Holy Ghost then (by your standard) she is saved.

Since I believe that one must receive the Holy Ghost with the initial evidence of speaking in other tongues, ( and you claim she didn't speak in tongues)then she died lost.

[Barb]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

When you spoke (or wrote the letter) to your ex-pastor about this subject, I guess the response wasn't what you expected? We are talking about grown men who decided that what they were once in wasn't really working for them, and therefore decided to make a change. We can either allow time to prove all things, or we can shout crucify them. Since the latter doesn't involve forgiveness and moving on, it wouldn't be the correct choice.

Like I said, in 100 years no one is going to care, and the ones who do, will remember it wrong. History, turns into legend and legend turns into myth, make your peace and move on. You will forget about the offence, and you won't have to shoot your ex-Pastor the stink eye next time you cross each other's path.

Elder EB, I have not spoken to him about it at all, but can assure you that there is no offense to make peace with, thus nothing to forgive.

He is his own man, and has been since he labored in this city at the ripe old age of 26...

Bishop didn't seek my counsel before he made his decisions. If he had, I would have advised him to wait.

But this is all a moot point...the brethren did their thing and it is done.

That being said, I am entitled to an opinion like everyone else. You posted, and I responded with my thoughts.

Trust all is well with you and your family in the frozen south. My brother lives in Spring Hill, and when he called our mom the other morning, he said he couldn't believe how cold it was.

We are looking for a heat wave here this weekend...they're predicting 36 degrees!!

[pelathais]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Since you don't believe that speaking in tongues is the initial sign of the Holy Ghost then (by your standard) she is saved.

Since I believe that one must receive the Holy Ghost with the initial evidence of speaking in other tongues, ( and you claim she didn't speak in tongues)then she died lost.

E.B. - your stock just tanked. I am so disappointed with you. I expected as much from "Light," but from you? That's just sad.

So then, what were we to do? Some new sisters in the church brought their oldest sister to church. The oldest had been suffering as I described. Should the pastor have stood at the door and and turned her away until the family could find a jaw, tongue and the associated musculature, nerves and circulatory systems for her?

Would you have told her and her family that there was simply no way she could be saved?

Her heart and her mind were all "there." She was functioning otherwise, intelligent and she was even still pretty despite the gauze and bandages around her neck.

So, if someone in this condition shows up at your church - you have not Gospel for them? Is that the case?

This isn't even an argument over what the Gospel is - it comes down to the fact that you don't have a Gospel for everyone.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Since you don't believe that speaking in tongues is the initial sign of the Holy Ghost then (by your standard) she is saved.

Since I believe that one must receive the Holy Ghost with the initial evidence of speaking in other tongues, ( and you claim she didn't speak in tongues)then she died lost.

Consistency and honesty. At least not all of them are wishy-washy and talking out of both sides of their mouths.

Now, that said. This answer here is my problem with those who interpret Luke's writing into John 3.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Brother David

E.B. - your stock just tanked. I am so disappointed with you. I expected as much from "Light," but from you? That's just sad.

So then, what were we to do? Some new sisters in the church brought their oldest sister to church. The oldest had been suffering as I described. Should the pastor have stood at the door and and turned her away until the family could find a jaw, tongue and the associated musculature, nerves and circulatory systems for her?

Would you have told her and her family that there was simply no way she could be saved?

Her heart and her mind were all "there." She was functioning otherwise, intelligent and she was even still pretty despite the gauze and bandages around her neck.

So, if someone in this condition shows up at your church - you have not Gospel for them? Is that the case?

This isn't even an argument over what the Gospel is - it comes down to the fact that you don't have a Gospel for everyone.

Argument about what the Gospel is? The Gospel is a narrow road with a very tight entrance. Over the course of human history, it will be a few that enter in that portal. Once, we get understanding of that bit of information, we might just take this thing with a little more focus.

Brother Dave, I didn't write the books of the Bible, but the more I study and the more I learn, I come to find out that life is short, and there is a lot contained in the Book. Can tongueless people speak in tonngues? That would have to be answered by asking the question, can the blind see, the deaf hear, and the dumb speak? Can they?

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com