Snarky? Maybe you should have some wine. And yet you deny the wisdom of the very verse you posted.
Where did I "deny the wisdom?" I don't believe it's a sin to drink. I do believe it's wrong to get drunk (according to NT scripture).
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Does the Bible tell you it is always wrong to lie?
It says that lying is an abomination. Did I lie about something, in your estimation?
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
Um....well, if you were forced by your Dad to marry your pimp when you were 16 and wanted to divorce him and marry another, I think the principle about these things would apply.
LOL!!! Did you have to think very hard to come up with that?
There seem to be some extreme, extenuating circumstances, and perhaps when your children are starving is one of them! Bottom line, each person has to do their best to abide by the laws of God, as they understand them, no matter what the circumstances.
How that pans out in application is between each individual and God.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
LOL!!! Did you have to think very hard to come up with that?
There seem to be some extreme, extenuating circumstances, and perhaps when your children are starving is one of them! Bottom line, each person has to do their best to abide by the laws of God, as they understand them, no matter what the circumstances.
How that pans out in application is between each individual and God.
I think you are absolutely right. And I wouldn't want anyone to go against their conscience in this. Therefore, those of you who wouldn't steal might need to make a list of those who would, just in case you get into a tight spot sometime.
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Just so you all know I won't be stealing your Christmas dinner, we are having appetizers for Christmas Eve, and I am committing another sin, gluttony. Crab stuffed mushrooms, Spinach dip, artichoke dip, pigs in a blanket, mmmmmmm.
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I think you are absolutely right. And I wouldn't want anyone to go against their conscience in this. Therefore, those of you who wouldn't steal might need to make a list of those who would, just in case you get into a tight spot sometime.
I have a BIL who would do it in a ♥beat. He stole a pair of boots for my husband one time, when they were about 10 & 12 (my husband is the younger one). Jeff got upset because he thought his brother bought him the shoes, and didn't understand when his brother made him scuff them up on the sidewalk before they got home. The first time my husband told me that story, I was a little shocked, but I realize it was his brother's way of trying to take care of his little brother--they were dirt poor, and often homeless, sleeping in their van or worse. (One time they actually went to the local jail and were allowed to sleep in a cell.)
I understand the reasoning behind it, and I'm not going to condemn people for trying to take care of their loved ones. I hate that some of my comments might be construed that way, because I don't feel that way at all.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
Yet Rahab makes the Hebrews hall of fame and what was it she did? She lied.
Elijah lied to Ahab.
The midwives lied to Pharaoh and God honored them for it.
The Ten Boom's lied to the Germans and hid Jews.
All these hard and fast rules have exceptions when the alternative is worse than the sin. Human life is greater than any command not to lie
That's an interesting statement that I'll have to mull over. Enjoy your hor d'oeuvres! I have chocolate pies and a red velvet cake to make, so I'm out!
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
I can understand your frustration. I remember experiencing it myself! It's difficult to formulate answers that are consistent with both the Bible and reality. The Bible makes assertions. Reality is what it is. One can choose to reconcile them, in any way one can, or to recognize them and accept them for what they are.
I see no frustration. Honestly. What made you say that?
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Recall my original assertion:
Here's an indisputable fact: God does not always provide food for those who need it.
Say what you like about my motivation for stating it, but: is it true? Well, of course it is true. Nobody can deny it.
Sure, but the Word explains such things.
But why did you initially say what you did? (You asked me and I responded.)
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What they might try to deny is that God doesn't always provide food for believers. I think you would claim that. The Bible seems to claim that (aside from Baron's explanation that it is merely a generality, which is another way of explaining the exceptions that I hadn't thought of ). But, if you do stand by it, and if you are right, then we have no choice but to conclude that everyone who has ever died of starvation, throughout history, was an unbeliever. Do you agree?
I can only stand on what God says.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
I see no frustration. Honestly. What made you say that?
You made some kind of oblique attempt to answer my assertion, and claimed that it was obvious. It wasn't. Not even close. And the "whew".
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Sure, but the Word explains such things.
The Word explains why God doesn't always provide food for those who need it?
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But why did you initially say what you did? (You asked me and I responded.)
It was in response to NewWine's post, immediately prior to mine, but I neglected to quote it, sorry. NW gave examples of God meeting people's needs, and I posted it to generate discussion. I purposely worded my statement to include everyone, and not just believers, expecting the discussion to go that way (to contrast believers and unbelievers, and how God provides for them -- or doesn't). Which it did.
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I can only stand on what God says.
Of course! And do you agree with what I said? Does the Bible teach that everyone who ever dies of starvation must be an unbeliever? Let's not dance around it! A 'yes' or 'no' would seem to be appropriate, here. Let me make it very plain. Do you agree with the following statement:
Everyone who has ever died of starvation is an unbeliever.
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