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Old 09-09-2011, 09:57 AM
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Of these many gods that the Bible acknowledges, none of them are real. None can speak, walk or see. But most Oneness people believe in a God of light and a God of darkness... again, I repeat, this is not Monotheism.
Are demons real?
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Re: Do you have "The Revelation"?

Satan is a real being. Jesus said he saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. Jesus spoke to satan like a being in the wilderness.
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Old 09-09-2011, 03:17 PM
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Re: Do you have "The Revelation"?

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I've only found one book out there after I seen it. Got some study notes from another guy. The best place to start looking at it though is in Revelation.
I've read the Bible.

I was just wondering if you could provide sources for this idea. I'd like to read more about where this idea has come from, what it's based on.

Do you do any word studies in the original languages, or do you only study in English?
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Re: Do you have "The Revelation"?

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I've read the Bible.

I was just wondering if you could provide sources for this idea. I'd like to read more about where this idea has come from, what it's based on.

Do you do any word studies in the original languages, or do you only study in English?
NT:4567

NT:4567
<START GREEK>Satana=$
<END GREEK> Satanas (sat-an-as'); of Aramaic origin corresponding to NT:4566 (with the definite affix); the accuser, i.e. the devil:


KJV - Satan.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

In Job it's a differnt Satan though...

OT:7854

OT:7854 <START HEBREW>/f*c*
<END HEBREW> satan (saw-tawn'); from OT:7853; an opponent; especially (with the article prefixed) Satan, the arch-enemy of good:


KJV - adversary, Satan, withstand.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

Notice what Satan says when he is asked where he come from.

Job 1:7

7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.


KJV

This is the same thing that Cain was cursed by God to do...

Gen 4:12

12 When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.
KJV

OT:5110

OT:5110 <START HEBREW>dWn
<END HEBREW> nuwd (nood); a primitive root; to nod, i.e. waver; figuratively, to wander, flee, disappear; also (from shaking the head in sympathy), to console, deplore, or (from tossing the head in scorn) taunt:


KJV - bemoan, flee, get, mourn, make to move, take pity, remove, shake, skip for joy, be sorry, vagabond, way, wandering.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)
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NT:4567

NT:4567
<START GREEK>Satana=$
<END GREEK> Satanas (sat-an-as'); of Aramaic origin corresponding to NT:4566 (with the definite affix); the accuser, i.e. the devil:


KJV - Satan.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

In Job it's a differnt Satan though...

OT:7854

OT:7854 <START HEBREW>/f*c*
<END HEBREW> satan (saw-tawn'); from OT:7853; an opponent; especially (with the article prefixed) Satan, the arch-enemy of good:


KJV - adversary, Satan, withstand.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

Notice what Satan says when he is asked where he come from.

Job 1:7

7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.


KJV

This is the same thing that Cain was cursed by God to do...

Gen 4:12

12 When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.
KJV

OT:5110

OT:5110 <START HEBREW>dWn
<END HEBREW> nuwd (nood); a primitive root; to nod, i.e. waver; figuratively, to wander, flee, disappear; also (from shaking the head in sympathy), to console, deplore, or (from tossing the head in scorn) taunt:


KJV - bemoan, flee, get, mourn, make to move, take pity, remove, shake, skip for joy, be sorry, vagabond, way, wandering.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)
so you dont believe in the devil? interesting do you not believe in the words of Jesus when he rebuked them for trying to kill him and said your the children of your father the devil, who was a lair and a murderer from the beginning.

or is he just a little figment of his imagination to make christians behave

and scriptures with cain and job dont jive.
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Old 09-10-2011, 12:30 PM
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Re: Do you have "The Revelation"?

"from whence do you come from" doesn't have to mean originally. I f someone asked me that I could say "New Jersey", "My mama's womb", "I was at the store" .
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NT:4567

NT:4567
<START GREEK>Satana=$
<END GREEK> Satanas (sat-an-as'); of Aramaic origin corresponding to NT:4566 (with the definite affix); the accuser, i.e. the devil:
I can use concordances too.

I'm looking for books written by authors who either believe this, or have written informational books about it. Blogs, websites, stuff like that. I know what the Bible says and how to find out more if I'm interested. I want to know what people say.
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Oneness balks at calling Yeshua the Father. This is a definite trend. I wont go along with it.

Read this carefully:

6: For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counseller, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Isaiah 9:6

Note the bold words. Does not this verse say PLAINLY the Messiah is BOTH.


FATHER AND SON.

That is the doctrine of Christ. If one denies Yeshua is the Father they are denying he is the Biblical Messiah.

9: Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 2 John 9
The Father (SPIRIT) was IN the son (flesh). GOD was IN Christ, in order to reconcile the world unto Himself.
He came near, in the body of the son. A body was prepared for that purpose. Jesus knew why he was born and came
into the world. GOD sent His only begotten Son into the world, that the world THROUGH HIM might (could) be saved.

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I've read the Bible.

I was just wondering if you could provide sources for this idea. I'd like to read more about where this idea has come from, what it's based on.

Do you do any word studies in the original languages, or do you only study in English?
I found a book about a month ago on it. This guy is not a preterist... found it on Amazon. I downloaded book two on my kindle then contacted the guy and he emailed me book on. I'm reading his first book now. His first book may be availble in paperback, I'm not sure.

Imagine There's No Satan (Satan Christianity's Other God) Brayshaw, James R. August 23, 2011
Purchased: August 23, 2011
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The heresy hunters are still with us. Only now, instead of stakes, they use their books and radio programs to destroy those they consider heretics.... I'm concerned that heresy hunting may be turning into leukemia because some cultwatchers seem more intent on destroying parts of the body than healing the body....

Come see us on YouTube http://www.youtube.com/user/Revelationist1948
http://www.sermon.net/sermons-Biblic...rch-14145.html
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I found a book about a month ago on it. This guy is not a preterist... found it on Amazon. I downloaded book two on my kindle then contacted the guy and he emailed me book on. I'm reading his first book now. His first book may be availble in paperback, I'm not sure.

Imagine There's No Satan (Satan Christianity's Other God) Brayshaw, James R. August 23, 2011
Purchased: August 23, 2011
Book one is Satan Christianity's Other God....
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The heresy hunters are still with us. Only now, instead of stakes, they use their books and radio programs to destroy those they consider heretics.... I'm concerned that heresy hunting may be turning into leukemia because some cultwatchers seem more intent on destroying parts of the body than healing the body....

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http://www.sermon.net/sermons-Biblic...rch-14145.html
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