Whats The Point Of The Resurrection Of The Dead?

[Michael The Disciple]

You keep bringing up King David and I just have to tell you that King David is in Paradise.God says that King David is a king after his own heart.I assure you that when David ask the Lord that his spirit not be left in Hades,He wasn't.

The reason I keep bringing David up is to prove what I believe is true by the teaching of the Apostles.

In the first sermon ever preached in the New Testament Church Peter said:

34: For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Acts 2:34

So David did not "ascend" with Yeshua at his resurrection. Peter said he was dead and buried and his grave was with them till that day.

29: Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. Acts 2:29

In other words he is still in Hades.

[easter]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

The reason I keep bringing David up is to prove what I believe is true by the teaching of the Apostles.

In the first sermon ever preached in the New Testament Church Peter said:

34: For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Acts 2:34

So David did not "ascend" with Yeshua at his resurrection. Peter said he was dead and buried and his grave was with them till that day.

29: Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. Acts 2:29

In other words he is still in Hades.

Read Acts 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell,neither wilt thou suffer thine holy one to see corruption.


Read Acts 2:30-31 Therefore being a prophet,and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him,that of the fruit of his loins,according to the flesh,he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;31.He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ,that his soul WAS(did you catch this?)WAS not left in hell ,neither his flesh did see corruption.(this here is talking about Jesus)

Acts 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens:but saith himself,The Lord said unto my Lord,sit thou on my right hand,(David's body has not ascended into heaven)

Acts 2:34(David died and was buried and his body still lay in the grave.Thus the words quoted from David were not spoken about himself.He did not ascend into heaven to sit at the right hand of God.Since David was still entombed,this prophetic word applies to God's son,Jesus Christ,and is the fulfillment of Psalms 110:1.Jesus is now exalted by God to God;s right hand as the supreme ruler over the entire cosmos.This exaltation of Jesus is an integral part of the apostolic message;it should be part of the same message we preach today.

What is being said here,Peter was telling the people that King David is not the one who ascended into to Heaven because his body is still in the grave but rather it was Jesus who ascended into heaven and is now seated at the right hand of the Father.Peter also goes on to say that the prophetic words spoken in Psalms 110:1 were not about King David but were spoken by King David regarding Jesus and not himself.That is what Peter is telling the people here.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

The reason I keep bringing David up is to prove what I believe is true by the teaching of the Apostles.

In the first sermon ever preached in the New Testament Church Peter said:

34: For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, Acts 2:34

So David did not "ascend" with Yeshua at his resurrection. Peter said he was dead and buried and his grave was with them till that day.

29: Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. Acts 2:29

In other words he is still in Hades.

Bro., that is again out of context. Peter was saying the passage that speaks of seating at the right hand was not speaking of David, but Jesus. It did not mean David never yet ascended into glory as just an average believer since the cross.


This is what I mean. Things have to be taken out of context to present some ideas. Easter is right.

[easter]

As bothers and sisters in Christ some ideals and beliefs must be examined through the scriptures.This must be done in an orderly fashion because God is not the author of confusion.I will tell you Michael this was a very confusing subject for I too believed in soul-sleep.Raised a Baptist I will tell you this is certainly not a belief that the Baptist teach.I came to this conclusion on my own and it was all based on the words asleep in Christ.When I buried my 19 year old boy 7 months ago I simply could not accept this belief,even tho I had arrived to this belief system on my own.I contacted and met a very dear and close friend(I will not mention his name)and through extensive Bible study I was able to prove my own belief wrong.My friend explained(besides the rabbit trails)why there was no way possible that my son's spirit was asleep.
To change some one's belief cannot be done but rather a study of the doctrine can.God Bless you Brother Michael for not only has this thread opened up some to study more into the theory of soul-sleep.This thread has strengthened my Faith in a Loving Father and my belief that the one's we have all loved and lost are with the Lord in Paradise.
I joined this forum like a day before you started this thread.Strange now that I think about it.EASTER(the day Jesus was resurrected)and your thread(what's the point of the resurrection.)Who knows maybe the Holy Spirit was testing me on what he had been teaching me these last 7 months.He is the great teacher that we should and need to listen and learn from.
God Bless Tonie

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Bro., that is again out of context. Peter was saying the passage that speaks of seating at the right hand was not speaking of David, but Jesus. It did not mean David never yet ascended into glory as just an average believer since the cross.


This is what I mean. Things have to be taken out of context to present some ideas. Easter is right.

I know the exact context of the scriptures I quoted. If you had been reading all my posts you would understand that.

The point Im making stands firm. Peter said DAVID DID NOT GO TO HEAVEN.

Your doctrine says he went from Hades into Heaven. Peter disagrees.

David was saying that YESHUAS soul was not left in Hades. Peter plainly says Davids WAS. Thats the point. David is still asleep today. What did Peter say about him?

29: Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. Acts 2:29

Thats my point. Right in context. It IS the context. Peter never said a word about Davids soul being taken from Hades/Sheol to Heaven. You all make that up.

The Apostle Peter said he is dead. He will come alive again at the resurrection of the DEAD.

Matter of fact what I said is exactly what Peter said. Namely that David never went to Heaven and also that he is dead.





Actually you are the one out of context as you continue to add to the teachings of Yeshua and the Apostles.

Paul tells us the RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD is a foundation doctrine of Christ.

You change his words to the resurrection of "the body". Then on THAT basis which is false you build the rest of the doctrine.

I have put forth an enormus amount of scripture in this thread. Two thirds of what I have posted was never addressed. But thats ok if anyone is interested the scriptures will be there for them.

[easter]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

I know the exact context of the scriptures I quoted. If you had been reading all my posts you would understand that.

The point Im making stands firm. Peter said DAVID DID NOT GO TO HEAVEN.

Your doctrine says he went from Hades into Heaven. Peter disagrees.

David was saying that YESHUAS soul was not left in Hades. Peter plainly says Davids WAS. Thats the point. David is still asleep today. What did Peter say about him?

29: Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. Acts 2:29

Thats my point. Right in context. It IS the context. Peter never said a word about Davids soul being taken from Hades/Sheol to Heaven. You all make that up.

The Apostle Peter said he is dead. He will come alive again at the resurrection of the DEAD.

Matter of fact what I said is exactly what Peter said. Namely that David never went to Heaven and also that he is dead.





Actually you are the one out of context as you continue to add to the teachings of Yeshua and the Apostles.

Paul tells us the RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD is a foundation doctrine of Christ.

You change his words to the resurrection of "the body". Then on THAT basis which is false you build the rest of the doctrine.

I have put forth an enormus amount of scripture in this thread. Two thirds of what I have posted was never addressed. But thats ok if anyone is interested the scriptures will be there for them.

Read Acts 2:27 For he will not leave my soul in hell,neither will he sufferer the Holy one to see corruption.
What do you say Michael about what is being said here?

[easter]

Originally Posted by easter

Read Acts 2:27 For he will not leave my soul in hell,neither will he sufferer the Holy one to see corruption.
What do you say Michael about what is being said here?

I will tell you what is being said;David received a word from God.God told David that through his bloodline he'd raise up a king(Jesus) to sit on his throne(David's throne)but this throne would be at the right hand of the Father.THIS VERSE IS David THANKING God for Jesus because David had the understanding that the Holy one was Jesus and because of Jesus his(David's) spirit would not be left in Hades.David had the understanding that through Jesus's blood(covers sins)that JESUS himself would come into the heart of the earth and bring the spirits out.

Acts 2:34 Is where Peter was telling the people, that what they had been taught by the religious leaders were wrong.You see the Jewish people then and now are looking for a messiah in the order of King David because they misunderstood Psalms 110:1.They taught the people that it was King David who sits at the right hand of the Father.Peter was saying,no David is not the one who ascended into heaven but Jesus whom you crucified.This pricked their hearts.You need to read Acts 2:27-the end of the chapter.
Even King David knew that Jesus would bring him(spirit)out of hades.Acts 2:27

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by easter

As bothers and sisters in Christ some ideals and beliefs must be examined through the scriptures.This must be done in an orderly fashion because God is not the author of confusion.I will tell you Michael this was a very confusing subject for I too believed in soul-sleep.Raised a Baptist I will tell you this is certainly not a belief that the Baptist teach.I came to this conclusion on my own and it was all based on the words asleep in Christ.When I buried my 19 year old boy 7 months ago I simply could not accept this belief,even tho I had arrived to this belief system on my own.I contacted and met a very dear and close friend(I will not mention his name)and through extensive Bible study I was able to prove my own belief wrong.My friend explained(besides the rabbit trails)why there was no way possible that my son's spirit was asleep.
To change some one's belief cannot be done but rather a study of the doctrine can.God Bless you Brother Michael for not only has this thread opened up some to study more into the theory of soul-sleep.This thread has strengthened my Faith in a Loving Father and my belief that the one's we have all loved and lost are with the Lord in Paradise.
I joined this forum like a day before you started this thread.Strange now that I think about it.EASTER(the day Jesus was resurrected)and your thread(what's the point of the resurrection.)Who knows maybe the Holy Spirit was testing me on what he had been teaching me these last 7 months.He is the great teacher that we should and need to listen and learn from.
God Bless Tonie

Yes the scriptures must be brought out in orderly fashion. If you go back to page one and see what I have written there is MUCH scripture and in order. I have not noticed you really addressing much of them at all. You have a few key scriptures that you hold and you keep bringing them back as if they are all there is to a doctrine that is vast in scope.

The so called soul sleep doctrine is in reality the doctrine of the RESURRECTION OF THE DEAD.

Certainly the doctrine I am teaching is carrying more weight than "instant heaven". Thats obvious by the amount of scripture I have put forth compared to the amount you have.

Im sorry to hear about your Son. When you mentioned it in the other thread I felt not to get much involved in it. But in this thread tho I can see why you would want to believe what you do I will not back away from the pure truth of scripture.

Paul tells us the right and Holy Ghost inspired way to comfort those who have lost loved ones.

He never mention that they are alive. He says they are dead. Asleep in Christ. Anyone teaching different is offering a comfort the Apostle did not extend.

13: But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
14: For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
15: For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16: For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18: Wherefore comfort one another with these words. 1 Thess 4:13-18

WHEREFORE COMFORT ONE ANOTHER WITH THESE WORDS.

I see nothing there about the dead being alive in Heaven. The ones he brings with him are plainly said to have been ASLEEP IN JESUS. He says that three times.

If he would have said tell your loved ones their souls went to Heaven and are rejoicing around the throne now I would be convinced. But he says the opposite. They will rise FROM THE DEAD at the second coming.

I used to believe what you all believe. For 16 years I taught it myself. Yet when challenged on some points of it I realized I was in error. I did a lot of study and the scales fell from my eyes.

A tremendous amount of teaching is available on the subject. A good place to start for anyone who is interested is post one in this thread.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by easter

Read Acts 2:27 For he will not leave my soul in hell,neither will he sufferer the Holy one to see corruption.
What do you say Michael about what is being said here?

You are apparently confused. It was Jesus soul that was not left in Hades/Sheol which is the grave. I believe Jesus rose from the dead. Not just his body or his soul but all of him.

David is the one who Peter said did not go to Heaven and also points out he is dead.

[easter]

Originally Posted by easter

I will tell you what is being said;David received a word from God.God told David that through his bloodline he'd raise up a king(Jesus) to sit on his throne(David's throne)but this throne would be at the right hand of the Father.THIS VERSE IS David THANKING God for Jesus because David had the understanding that the Holy one was Jesus and because of Jesus his(David's) spirit would not be left in Hades.David had the understanding that through Jesus's blood(covers sins)that JESUS himself would come into the heart of the earth and bring the spirits out.

Acts 2:34 Is where Peter was telling the people, that what they had been taught by the religious leaders were wrong.You see the Jewish people then and now are looking for a messiah in the order of King David because they misunderstood Psalms 110:1.They taught the people that it was King David who sits at the right hand of the Father.Peter was saying,no David is not the one who ascended into heaven but Jesus whom you crucified.This pricked their hearts.You need to read Acts 2:27-the end of the chapter.
Even King David knew that Jesus would bring him(spirit)out of hades.Acts 2:27

This is the reason I suggested reading up on Jewish customs and teachings.If you don't understand the Jewish law and teachings and customs,alot of the scripture is going to be over your head and having no Jewish teachings is going to leave your sword(the word)a butter knife if you will.I'm just saying...