That a person must live in mortal fear of crossing some imaginary "holiness" line unknowingly.
That the freakycons brand of "holiness" is equal to repentance, baptism and the infilling of the Holy Ghost and without obedience to a laundry list of extrabiblical rules you are going to go to Hell in a handbasket.
That other United Pentecostals who do not hold to the same fruity principles espoused by the "fence building Pharisees" are lost (including our highest leadership).
The constant desire to find ways to expel people from the kingdom instead of gathering them into it. This is offensive to God, and reeks in His nostrils.
I agree here and sadly admit, that to a degree, I was one o' them. To this day, it bothers me to think of the ways I used to treat people for not following what I said they were to do. After all, I was the man of God. I was the one who watched for their souls. Didn't they understand that if the women cut their hair that they were in sin and in danger of losing their salvation? Didn't the men understand that shorts or facial hair were going to send them to the "pit?" It gave me every right to use guilt, manipulation, pressure, withholding appreciation, sitting them "down" and a host of other things to get them to comply.
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For that that might be taken aback by some of the things that PP has said, you likely missed his post in another thread about his relitive that moved to the great northwest who found a church where the pastor and his wife control everything including checkbooks and husband/wife "relations".
so yea I think PP has a clue about freakycons.
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For that that might be taken aback by some of the things that PP has said, you likely missed his post in another thread about his relitive that moved to the great northwest who found a church where the pastor and his wife control everything including checkbooks and husband/wife "relations".
so yea I think PP has a clue about freakycons.
Rare and few are these, and to paint all the rest with such a broad brush is simply unfair.
I have seen the Good, The Bad, and the downright Ugly in the last 30 yrs myself!
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Absolutely not and neither do I insinuate that either. My point is that even though there is a ditch on both sides of the spectrum, and since I am considered a liberal, I have not fallen into that ditch and continue to see salvational fruit even though I do not resort to the afformentioned tactics.
No offense intended, but I don't see people getting "saved" as evidence of how right or wrong someone or their method is, especially in comparison to another.
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My sub-point is that truth does not need screamed, hollered, ranted, raved nor shoved down someone's throat. It simply needs planted and watered with unconditional love and it will bring forth fruit.
The UC men I know would agree 100%. But, I'd bet there are just as many liberal-types as there are UC-types who go about it the wrong way.
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It gave me every right to use guilt, manipulation, pressure, withholding appreciation, sitting them "down" and a host of other things to get them to comply.
Well, it's a good thing that there are many UC men of God who have never and will never use these tactics. And, I'm certainly glad you were freed from them!
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Ignorance of the Identity of the One True God is not a valid reason to practice idolatry.
Rare and few are these, and to paint all the rest with such a broad brush is simply unfair.
I have seen the Good, The Bad, and the downright Ugly in the last 30 yrs myself!
I dont think anyone is painting Conservitives with the same brush.
I know some good ones. I also know that there are man running around that talk about womens dresses as "The Truth" with capital "T"s
And I have seen them post such here, on GNC, NFCF, and FCF.
and as PP has said, there are more than 2 or 3 running around. the proof is in so many telling the same story from vastly different parts of the country.
BOOM, ive been blessed. I grew up in a moderate church and never ran into this crazy stuff. The churches that I have been a part of (3 total) in my 37 years have been very good ones. 2 were moderate and one conservitive. none were controlling so when i see the things that get posted, I often say that i am from a different UPCI.
but I know they are out there.
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I agree here and sadly admit, that to a degree, I was one o' them. To this day, it bothers me to think of the ways I used to treat people for not following what I said they were to do. After all, I was the man of God. I was the one who watched for their souls. Didn't they understand that if the women cut their hair that they were in sin and in danger of losing their salvation? Didn't the men understand that shorts or facial hair were going to send them to the "pit?" It gave me every right to use guilt, manipulation, pressure, withholding appreciation, sitting them "down" and a host of other things to get them to comply.
Yep same here, during my days as a UPC pastor wife, I was a real Pent Patty back then. I look back now and wonder just how many life's I may have mislead or caused to turn their backs on God during that time, because of these teachings.
No offense intended, but I don't see people getting "saved" as evidence of how right or wrong someone or their method is, especially in comparison to another.
I do.
The UC men I know would agree 100%. But, I'd bet there are just as many liberal-types as there are UC-types who go about it the wrong way.
I agree.
Well, it's a good thing that there are many UC men of God who have never and will never use these tactics. And, I'm certainly glad you were freed from them!
Me too!
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Yep same here, during my days as a UPC pastor wife, I was a real Pent Patty back then. I look back now and wonder just how many life's I may have mislead or caused to turn their backs on God during that time, because of these teachings.
I would say none. The decision to turn one's back on God is individual and personal. Take off your hair shirt and realize that you are not responsible for their failure.
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