Yup but who do you think is making up the difference in premiums you used to pay for healthcare and what you pay now? It is me and a lot of other taxpayers.
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"We did not wear uniforms. The lady workers dressed in the current fashions of the day, ...silks...satins...jewels or whatever they happened to possess. They were very smartly turned out, so that they made an impressive appearance on the streets where a large part of our work was conducted in the early years.
"It was not until long after, when former Holiness preachers had become part of us, that strict plainness of dress began to be taught.
"Although Entire Sanctification was preached at the beginning of the Movement, it was from a Wesleyan viewpoint, and had in it very little of the later Holiness Movement characteristics. Nothing was ever said about apparel, for everyone was so taken up with the Lord that mode of dress seemingly never occurred to any of us."
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My Canadian cousin died of ovarian cancer at age 25. She couldn't get in to see a doctor for 6 months because of her age. They diagnosed her by her age before they saw her.
Kind of like me. I had some terrible pain in my hip for about a week so I went to see my doctor. I was only 29 years old and my doctor gave me some anti-inflammatory. Two weeks later it was still bothering me and I could barely walk. I went to the doctor again! He asked if I had a new chair at work or if I had a new chair at home and I told him no. He then asked if I had a new vehicle. Well…I had just purchased a brand new Jeep. He said that my hip joint was inflamed because of getting in and out of the new Jeep and that it would go away in a couple weeks. Guess what, it didn’t go away. So I decided to go to my wife’s doctor (lovely little lady by the way) and she had me walk across the room and then she laid me down and maneuvered my leg to find my range of motion. She then scheduled me to have blood work and some X-Rays done. After all was said and done she concluded that I had high blood pressure due to my weight and that the heightened blood pressure was causing fluid pressure in my hip and therewith inflaming my joint. She gave me some blood pressure medication and demanded that I loose weight. I came down from 249 lbs to 185 lbs. Well…that took care of the problem and improved my overall health. And that wasn’t a socialized health care system. That was here in America.
These kinds of things happen in every system. There will always been misdiagnosis and untimely treatments. It’s the nature of any health care system. My father-in-law is a case in point. They neglected to treat him and improperly diagnosed him after a heart surgery here in the US.
But I am curious, what Province was she in? My peeps are in Ontario and haven’t had any problem with their health care.
Kind of like me. I had some terrible pain in my hip for about a week so I went to see my doctor. I was only 29 years old and my doctor gave me some anti-inflammatory. Two weeks later it was still bothering me and I could barely walk. I went to the doctor again! He asked if I had a new chair at work or if I had a new chair at home and I told him no. He then asked if I had a new vehicle. Well…I had just purchased a brand new Jeep. He said that my hip joint was inflamed because of getting in and out of the new Jeep and that it would go away in a couple weeks. Guess what, it didn’t go away. So I decided to go to my wife’s doctor (lovely little lady by the way) and she had me walk across the room and then she laid me down and maneuvered my leg to find my range of motion. She then scheduled me to have blood work and some X-Rays done. After all was said and done she concluded that I had high blood pressure due to my weight and that the heightened blood pressure was causing fluid pressure in my hip and therewith inflaming my joint. She gave me some blood pressure medication and demanded that I loose weight. I came down from 249 lbs to 185 lbs. Well…that took care of the problem and improved my overall health. And that wasn’t a socialized health care system. That was here in America.
These kinds of things happen in every system. There will always been misdiagnosis and untimely treatments. It’s the nature of any health care system. My father-in-law is a case in point. They neglected to treat him and improperly diagnosed him after a heart surgery here in the US.
But I am curious, what Province was she in? My peeps are in Ontario and haven’t had any problem with their health care.
What I am saying is that she had to wait 6 months! That wouldn't happen here. She might have been misdiagnosed but she wouldn't have to wait that long. I honestly don't know all the details, I just know the family was upset about that. The province is Prince Edward Island.
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The bottom line is that I don't want the same folks who run the DMV or Social Security Office or Post Office running my health care!
They will have employees who cannot be fired, who are unmotivated to work, and don't give a flip about the customer. Once that permeates the healthcare system it will be much more of a wreck than it is now.
Even Canada who has one of the better socialist medical systems has to ship pregnant women with problems to American hospitals in Michigan to get specialized treatment.
If you want a realistic look at what socialized medicene would be like for America just do a little research on how it is in the UK and Australia. Waiting for months on end for MRI's and Catscans, etc.
Once being a Doctor pays what being a ditch digger earns how many people do you think are going to want to devote 12 years of their life to become one? Some still will but many of the best and brightest brains will do something else.
It has happed once or twice that I know of but for the reason you think, there was a shortage of specialized nurses.
We are competing in a global marketplace & meed to compete for a shrinking pool of labour.
I know of nurses who went to the Middle East for pay that was 100,000 plus!!
That is with no specialties!
We constantly have American hospitals coming up here holding career fairs to keep thier hospitals staffed.
It isn't because the system doesn't work.
I know, we can just do like the States & only treat those that have money!
I have a Canadian friend who Pastors down in Washington State who pays 800 bucks a month for his family!!!
It isn't even a comprehensive plan!!
Up in Canada, the same cost is 108 a month for a family!
Yup but who do you think is making up the difference in premiums you used to pay for healthcare and what you pay now? It is me and a lot of other taxpayers.
Well, the tax payers in Ohio…and I’m one of them. I gladly pay the taxes necessary to help fund this plan. It’s excellent. I’d like to see you able to have it too. But you don’t want it. You’d rather pay out the nose and let the industry rip you off. The more applicants we have the better group rates become, but you don’t want to jump aboard.
Why do you want to pay inflated premiums to cover the uninsured that pay nothing AND higher taxes for government employees and Congressmen to have health insurance better than yours???
Why not choose to go single payer and allow group bargaining power secure you lower group rates, thereby lowering your premium to under $100 a month and allow your taxes to go to work for you and your family than going to support government employees and politicians???
What I am saying is that she had to wait 6 months! That wouldn't happen here. She might have been misdiagnosed but she wouldn't have to wait that long. I honestly don't know all the details, I just know the family was upset about that. The province is Prince Edward Island.
Bro...50 million Americans are uninsured and don't even have the previledge of being misdiagnosed or finally seeing a doctor after 6 months. My mother was one of them.
Had my mom had just a basic insurance package they could have found her heart condition and begun treating it early on when symptoms first appeared. But she didn't have the money to see a doctor...and about two years later she died of a massive heart attack.
It all boils down to this...do we want to make things better for everyone or to take the past out on everyone so that they have it as bad as we've had it in the past?
It has happed once or twice that I know of but for the reason you think, there was a shortage of specialized nurses.
We are competing in a global marketplace & meed to compete for a shrinking pool of labour.
I know of nurses who went to the Middle East for pay that was 100,000 plus!!
That is with no specialties!
We constantly have American hospitals coming up here holding career fairs to keep thier hospitals staffed.
It isn't because the system doesn't work.
I know, we can just do like the States & only treat those that have money!
I have a Canadian friend who Pastors down in Washington State who pays 800 bucks a month for his family!!!
It isn't even a comprehensive plan!!
Up in Canada, the same cost is 108 a month for a family!
Facts CC1, Facts!
BTW, I never had to wait for a CT Scan!
They don't care Ron. They like being ripped off...and for some reason they can tolerate uninsured Americans dying of treatable conditions.
It seems to me that they are against the American government and the American people. I just don't understand it.
Bro...50 million Americans are uninsured and don't even have the previledge of being misdiagnosed or finally seeing a doctor after 6 months. My mother was one of them.
Had my mom had just a basic insurance package they could have found her heart condition and begun treating it early on when symptoms first appeared. But she didn't have the money to see a doctor...and about two years later she died of a massive heart attack.
It all boils down to this...do we want to make things better for everyone or to take the past out on everyone so that they have it as bad as we've had it in the past?
Sorry for you loss, Aquila.
To be honest, I don't know what the right answer is...I see both sides of the argument. I have serious concerns about government anything...and then again, people need health care.
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Aquilla, you still havent done a blessed thing to get anybody here to trust the same government who has given us the postoffice and social security to give us Universal Healthcare....
You might as well be asking me to hire the town drunk to drive a school bus.
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They don't care Ron. They like being ripped off...and for some reason they can tolerate uninsured Americans dying of treatable conditions.
It seems to me that they are against the American government and the American people. I just don't understand it.
you have it backwards bro. We ARE being ripped off by congress and you are suggesting that we trust this same bunch of thugs and thieves to take ownership of 1/7th of the US economy.
Obama spends a couple of trillion dollars we dont have, on top of the trillion or so GWB spent last year that we dont have, then claims he is going to cut the deficit in half in 4 years, all the while talking about all the new spending and growth of government that is going to take place, all while the economy is in the tank and going down harder in light of his first month on the job....
and we are supposed to trust this guy to lead us to Universal healthcare?
Dude has some serious trust to gain.... and still there is this dispicable congress.... really you trust these guys? these social engeneers?
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