Dan Scott's Thought on Trinity

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by 1399

I have an idea:

Let's just call him and ask him and see what he says.

I have spoken with him on the phone before. You can too!

NOPE he should make it clear in his written word.

[U376977]

It is clear that being clear is clear. That being ambigous is clear that those who read can understand that they only need to read what is clearly defined is clearly stated and without controversy. To me that is clear. That is why there should be no confusion regarding what is so clearly stated by those who are clearly clear.

IS THAT CLEAR!!!

[StMark]

FRANCE &/OR JTULLOCK

In regards to your response to Amos about Dan Scott sprinkling ensence,
I have a friend who was in his church in Phoenix. Dan Scott first took the church out of the UPC and slowly started to implimenting Anglican teachings and practices into the service. eventually, they ended up with pictures of the virgin mary and crucifixes on the walls, he taught the congregation to do the sign of the cross, sprinkling ensence, and on and on it went. You probably get the picture.

Eventually, this caused the church to split. This was a very large church and a very nasty church split.

At some point, he left Phoenix and someone else took over the church.
My memory is a little foggy from here, but at some time, he ended up back at Christ church. Bro Harwick was up in years and there was talk of him eventually retiring. This is when a lot of red flags went up.

It was told that Dan Scott renounced some of these practices but a lot of people don't believe it

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by StMark

FRANCE &/OR JTULLOCK

In regards to your response to Amos about Dan Scott sprinkling ensence,
I have a friend who was in his church in Phoenix. Dan Scottfirst took the church out of the UPC and slowly started to implimenting Anglican teachings and practices into the service. eventually, they ended up with pictures of the virgin mary and crucifixes on the walls, he taught the congregation to do the sign of the cross, sprinkling ensence, and on and on it went. You probably get the picture.

Eventually, this caused the church to split. This was a very large church and a very nasty church split.

At some point, he left Phoenix and someone else took over the church.
My memory is a little foggy from here, but at some time, he ended up back at Christ church. Bro Harwick was up in years and there was talk of him eventually retiring. This is when a lot of red flags went up.

It was told that Dan Scott renounced some of these practices but a lot of people don't believe it

I guess time will tell then.

Whatever's inside of a man will eventually come out sooner or later.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Traci

... I remember Pastor Hardwick saying that he believes Trinitarians and Oneness really believe the same thing they are just saying it differently and he believes that is one of the greatest deceptions of the devil to cause confusion and strife amoung the churches. ...

Years ago there was a preacher named Bro. Gosey. At one time he lived in the Cincinnati area but had moved out east. I believe he lived in Norfolk, VA. I don't know which (if any) organization he was in. The UPC Publishing House used to offer his charts which were very much like the Larkin charts. He preached at the ALJC church a couple times where I used to go. I think he also preached at a local PAW church when he was in town. I heard Bro. Gosey say the same thing Pastor Hardwick is quoted as having said.

I don't think most trinitarians really believe in three gods. They've heard the term "three persons" so long they just accept it. And the term "trinity" is often used to denote the deity of Jesus versus the idea that He was just a mere man so they go along with that.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Sam

Years ago there was a preacher named Bro. Gosey. At one time he lived in the Cincinnati area but had moved out east. I believe he lived in Norfolk, VA. I don't know which (if any) organization he was in. The UPC Publishing House used to offer his charts which were very much like the Larkin charts. He preached at the ALJC church a couple times where I used to go. I think he also preached at a local PAW church when he was in town. I heard Bro. Gosey say the same thing Pastor Hardwick is quoted as having said.

I don't think most trinitarians really believe in three gods. They've heard the term "three persons" so long they just accept it. And the term "trinity" is often used to denote the deity of Jesus versus the idea that He was just a mere man so they go along with that.

Thus saith Gosey means squat.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Thus saith Gosey means squat.

I agree, Elder.

I was just pointing out that Bro. Hardwick was not the only preacher who has said that.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Sam

I agree, Elder.

I was just pointing out that Bro. Hardwick was not the only preacher who has said that.

Gosey and Hardwick being on the same page is NOT shocking to me.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Amos

I doubt if anyone but a few old timers remembers this, but way back on NFCF, we discussed Dan Scott and the probablility that he would be pastor of Christ Church some day.

Some of us then tried to tell the optimists that when Dan Scott got firmly in the saddle, his fascination with things Anglican, which he was repressing at the time, would crop back out.

It looks like we were right.

I haven't looked at this thread today and have only caught up to page 5 but wanted to respond to this post before crying myself to sleep at the thought of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid now having bigger majorities and a partner in the White House.

I said back then and say now that you guys are mistaken in your belief that Dan wants to take the church to be a dry Anglican one.

You are confusing him not being a strong Oneness advocate with him being a liturgical Anglican.

He is more "pentecostal" than any of the other pastors that have been at CC the nine years I have been here.

The Anglican group he is ordained with is a charismatic one. He preaches and teaches at length about the need for people to have a supernatural experience with God, etc, etc.

You can legitimately gripe all day long that he is not as strong as you would like on Oneness but L.H. Hardwick gets the same rap because they don't condemn trinitarians to hell or think a different view from the godhead or baptism from the Oneness view is salvational. However it is just flat wrong to intimate DS promotes some sort of formal Anglican worship and style of church. He very much believes in the baptism of the Holy Spirit, the gifts of the Spirit, etc. Of course he also believes in the fruit of the Spirit which is something not dealt with as much in Pentecostal churches in my experience.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by CC1

I haven't looked at this thread today and have only caught up to page 5 but wanted to respond to this post before crying myself to sleep at the thought of Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid now having bigger majorities and a partner in the White House.

I said back then and say now that you guys are mistaken in your belief that Dan wants to take the church to be a dry Anglican one.

You are confusing him not being a strong Oneness advocate with him being a liturgical Anglican.

He is more "pentecostal" than any of the other pastors that have been at CC the nine years I have been here.

The Anglican group he is ordained with is a charismatic one. He preaches and teaches at length about the need for people to have a supernatural experience with God, etc, etc.

You can legitimately gripe all day long that he is not as strong as you would like on Oneness but L.H. Hardwick gets the same rap because they don't condemn trinitarians to hell or think a different view from the godhead or baptism from the Oneness view is salvational. However it is just flat wrong to intimate DS promotes some sort of formal Anglican worship and style of church. He very much believes in the baptism of the Holy Spirit, the gifts of the Spirit, etc. Of course he also believes in the fruit of the Spirit which is something not dealt with as much in Pentecostal churches in my experience.

The Anglican charge was NOT mine I really know nothing about it. Only his view whatever it is on the Godhead.