Not particularly DA. I understood the premise of the thread to be what one should think when there is a lack of specific scripture for an occurence. My feeling is that it is much different to do something that you feel you heard from God without specific Scriptural foundation than to teach something you feel you heard from God without specific Scriptural foundation. The Apostles never admonished that we should never do anything that we have not read, but specifically warned that we do not teach or preach anything we have not already received from them.
There is room in the last days for the old men to dream dreams and the young to see visions. You just can't make them doctrine.
Absolutely tremendous! This highlights the need for a personal spiritual relationship. God can give me a revelation or conviction or admonition but that doesn't mean I can climb up on the box and expect you to apply it to your life. Not everyone needs to throw away their Celene Dion albums away.
For the record, I am against Magic Hair doctrine. I am quite disturbed by the evident support of this doctrine within the UPCI at the highest levels.
I also have the ability to compartmentalize Jekyll first post. He said in light of some facts concerning what LS has said. that doesn't mean (in my mind) that this tread is in support of Magic Hair.
the way I see it, that was just the "jumping off point". Otherwise, Jekyll would have added the post to that thread.
What I find disturbing is that truthful comments will be opposed if they even slightly appear to support a view that is opposed.
Jekyll's starter post here appears to support
1. Magic Hair
provided one makes a certain leap. (nobody asked Jekyll if that was the case by the way) Therefore the guns came out ready to dispatch what was said, without even caring to approach the comment at face value.
2. Preachers working without scripture. Come on, we all believe the bible is both the First and last authority on any subject! We all agree that we don't create doctrine without scripture. But some see this as support for some preacher working without a net. So the comments are opposed on merit. NOT on the value of the comments presented!
I think sometimes we just need to get a grip instead of a gripe. (and I need to take a dose of my own medicine.)
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Absolutely tremendous! This highlights the need for a personal spiritual relationship. God can give me a revelation or conviction or admonition but that doesn't mean I can climb up on the box and expect you to apply it to your life. Not everyone needs to throw away their Celene Dion albums away.
Alas, I was with you until the end. Both of the people with the Celine Dion albums need to burn them.
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For the record, I am against Magic Hair doctrine. I am quite disturbed by the evident support of this doctrine within the UPCI at the highest levels.
I also have the ability to compartmentalize Jekyll first post. He said in light of some facts concerning what LS has said. that doesn't mean (in my mind) that this tread is in support of Magic Hair.
the way I see it, that was just the "jumping off point". Otherwise, Jekyll would have added the post to that thread.
What I find disturbing is that truthful comments will be opposed if they even slightly appear to support a view that is opposed.
Jekyll's starter post here appears to support
1. Magic Hair
provided one makes a certain leap. (nobody asked Jekyll if that was the case by the way) Therefore the guns came out ready to dispatch what was said, without even caring to approach the comment at face value.
2. Preachers working without scripture. Come on, we all believe the bible is both the First and last authority on any subject! We all agree that we don't create doctrine without scripture. But some see this as support for some preacher working without a net. So the comments are opposed on merit. NOT on the value of the comments presented!
I think sometimes we just need to get a grip instead of a gripe. (and I need to take a dose of my own medicine.)
In light of what some said about LS not having scripture to support that doctrine Jekyll posted the rest to show you don't always need scripture. That seems really clear to me. He then adds for good measure a shot at the people here on AFF who obviously refuted LS and said he did not have scripture. Sorry but that is just so blatantly obvious I don't see why we are discussing it
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Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
I think you need to go look up the word benign. LS teaching on hair is anything but benign. I am not sure I understand you here unless you are manifesting a passive aggressive spirit
I said relatively benign. Compared with killing your own children.
But you're right that magic hair is a dangerous thing, too.
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In light of what some said about LS not having scripture to support that doctrine Jekyll posted the rest to show you don't always need scripture. That seems really clear to me. He then adds for good measure a shot at the people here on AFF who obviously refuted LS and said he did not have scripture. Sorry but that is just so blatantly obvious I don't see why we are discussing it
Prax, I get what he is saying, but not in this context. If we had the expectation that ministers would not say anything that is not in black and white scripture, church would be unbearable (I almost said more unbearable than it already is...but I digress...and you would have to know me better to understand I am poking fun )!!!!
We used to go to a church where preachers felt it was against the principle of scripture to prepare sermons because everything that is said should be divinely inspired. Talk about silly? "I don't know what I am going to preach tonight, so I am just going to open my bible and preach on the first scripture I read...Jodpienaipania begat fiddjibbimiia...and fiddjibbimiia begat..."
So the ultimate question becomes, as someone alluded to earlier, what is by divine personal revelation and therefore need to be applied in soliloquy only, and what is by divine revelation that should be preached as mandate or conviction?
It is a fine line. I believe most of what LS preached on the hair deal should have been kept to and applied to himself or his own convictions.
It is a fine line. I believe most of what LS preached on the hair deal should have been kept to and applied to himself or his own convictions.
Of course, however the author of this thread was directing his points towards those AFF members that questioned LS and this doctrine (not a personal revelation) and saying their lacked scripture. If you read the first line and the last it was clear Jekyll was drawing a defense that such a one as LS did not have to have bible but could have heard from God directly.
__________________ Let it be understood that Apostolic Friends Forum is an Apostolic Forum.
Apostolic is defined on AFF as:
There is One God. This one God reveals Himself distinctly as Father, Son and Holy Ghost.
The Son is God himself in a human form or "God manifested in the flesh" (1Tim 3:16)
Every sinner must repent of their sins.
That Jesus name baptism is the only biblical mode of water baptism.
That the Holy Ghost is for today and is received by faith with the initial evidence of speaking in tongues.
The saint will go on to strive to live a holy life, pleasing to God.
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