Bishop G E Patterson - fussing thread (see other thread for nice things) - Page 12

Felicity · #**111** 03-23-2007, 10:47 AM

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NOBODY has aswered the question yet: Can ANYBODY be saved outside of obedience to Acts 2:38? Why are there no answers to this?

My answer is no.

Timmy · #**112** 03-23-2007, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Felicity

My answer is no.

I say Yes. The thief on the cross is one example.

#**113** 03-23-2007, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Timmy

I say Yes. The thief on the cross is one example.

Wrong dispensation, Slick. The theif was in a different dispensation... one before Jesus died and, thus, the 'will of the testator' was not yet in effect.

Next answer?

The Dean · #**114** 03-23-2007, 11:09 AM

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So the real question would not be if he was 'saved' but if one could be saved knowing truth but promoting a false doctrine. What is your opinion of that?

Personally, I've long maintained that a trinitarian could be saved not understanding oneness but they can't go to Heaven promoting a lie.

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Okay folks, let's ask the question and leave it open for an answer... Can someone be saved outside of obedience to Acts 2:38?

To me it seems that, at the very least, to be Apostolic you have to obey the Apostles doctrine. What say ye? And sincerely, Atlanta, you really aren't saying much when you say there is more to preach than Acts 2:38. We're not talking about the process of living for God as much as being born again. Can that happen outside of Acts 2:38?

Steadfast, those questions have been asked before as you see in a prior post. You will not get an answer. Opinions are more important than scriptural truth in some.

The Dean · #**115** 03-23-2007, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Felicity

My answer is no.

My "NO" is an emphatic one. I agree with you Felicity.

#**116** 03-23-2007, 11:17 AM

I have no problem answering the question, either. I don't think anybody can be saved outside of obedience to the scriptural mandate of Acts 2:38. It's not the 'cure all' but its the door into the Kingdom.

My answer? NO.

SDG · #**117** 03-23-2007, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Steadfast

NOBODY has aswered the question yet: Can ANYBODY be saved outside of obedience to Acts 2:38? Why are there no answers to this?

Timmy, you are obeying Matthew 28:19 when you baptize in the NAME of Jesus for it IS the NAME of the Father, the NAME of the Son and the NAME of the Holy Ghost.

At the very least, folks, one would have to believe in repentance, Baptism in Jesus Name and receiving the Holy Ghost to genuinely have any claim to being Apostolic! What is with the folks that claim to be Apostolic and don't come close to believing Acts 2:38 which defines the basic doctrinal foundation.

If you think you 'become' something just because you 'claim' the title it's ludicrous... I think I'll claim to be Bill Gates! Wait... no, just looked in my wallet and I'm not Bill Gates. Why? Because I don't have what Bill Gates has! Some folks seem to claim 'Apostolic' as their title and yet seem to think you can get to Heaven in this dispensation without obedience to our basic scriptural tenet. If you fall in that category then you're NOT Apostolic because you don't have what the Apostolics had.

Much of this debate could end with the answer of the real question. Again, the question: Do you think you can be saved in this dispensation outside of obedience to Acts 2:38?

No ... this debate has not yet ended ... Steadfast ... the question still stands whether or not Bishop Patterson obeyed Acts 2:38 .... He indeed did.

and I say if he repented
was baptized in the name [authority, power] of Jesus Christ

was Spirit baptized

and lived a Spirit-filled and consecrated life in obedience to God's Word ... THE ANSWER IS YES IT IS VERY LIKELY HE IS SAVED

ALL OF GOD'S WORD IS NECESSARY FOR SALVATION.
Paul .... and Apostle said ...

James 2

14What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? 15Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16If one of you says to him, "Go, I wish you well; keep warm and well fed," but does nothing about his physical needs, what good is it? 17In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.

Shall we add James 2:15 ... or Genesis 1:1 ?????

Timmy · #**118** 03-23-2007, 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Steadfast

Wrong dispensation, Slick. The theif was in a different dispensation... one before Jesus died and, thus, the 'will of the testator' was not yet in effect.

Next answer?

Oops, my bad.

OK, let me ask you this. You are 100% certain that you have the correct formula for salvation, straight from Scripture, clear as day. Right? Never mind that there are some who disagree (they must be evil folks, not to accept such a clear command from the Lord). You have it right, and they have it wrong. Fine.

Suppose on your first day in Heaven, you are given the job, the honor, of manning The Gate for a day. They give you a really nice laptop computer that has all the information you need about each candidate's life. The exact wording used at their baptism, the full history of their life, including the state of their hearts! (I said it was a nice laptop!)

Now, before you get started, Peter himself starts to tell you what to look for. Do you stop him and say "No, that's OK. I already know. Read it, understand it, no need to repeat it."?

Peter says, "Oh, good for you! Alright, then, I'll be back in a few hours to check on things."

First candidate. Your hand is on The Switch. (It has an "Up" position and a "Down" position. It's in "Neutral" for now.) Looking over this guy's records, you see that everything is in order. Oopsie! Except for one thing. The preacher that baptized the poor guy said, according to the audio, "...in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit". Ah, so close.

DOWN!

Yes, this is an impossible, ridiculous hypothetical situation. But, just asking: are you really that certain you have it right?

But in fact, it's not so hypothetical. By preaching what you are preaching, everyone who believes you is trusting you! Trusting that you got it right. Resting their own eternal lives on what you have taught them.

Nervous? No? Not even a little??