Why do YOU believe the Bible?

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by OGIA

Sounds like you think He deserves us all to be like you?

No. He deserves to have us do things His way.

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by Michi

So now, I am trying to live with the questions. But its hard, sometimes I worry that I will never know ANYTHING with any certainty.

Having lived through that I can understand. Objective Truth can be found.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by ReformedDave

Having lived through that I can understand. Objective Truth can be found.

Is objective truth different from just truth?

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by Esther

Is objective truth different from just truth?

Shouldn't be but for many it is. "In my experience this is true...." "What's true for me..."

[OGIA]

Originally Posted by ReformedDave

No. He deserves to have us do things His way.

But, from your last post to me --

"Except I've poked holes in them"

and

"I believe that the Bible defines the Truth AND the way it's to be presented" --

it seems that you believe YOUR WAY is His way.



If my "defense when asked for a reason for the hope" is from the Holy Ghost, I don't really care what someone else thinks about my defense or reason. It will have been what God intended for me to say, and that trumps any objection from the one asking or the opinion of someone who thinks they know how to intellectually argue the Gospel "better". Beats it hands down anytime, in fact.

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by OGIA

But, from your last post to me --

"Except I've poked holes in them"

and

"I believe that the Bible defines the Truth AND the way it's to be presented" --

it seems that you believe YOUR WAY is His way.

Maybe I should have said "Using the principles found in Scripture I poked holes in your arguments....etc". And you are correct that I believe the position I take is the way of Scripture.

if my "defense when asked for a reason for the hope" is from the Holy Ghost, I don't really care what someone else thinks about my defense or reason. It will have been what God intended for me to say, and that trumps any objection from the one asking or the opinion of someone who thinks they know how to intellectually argue the Gospel "better". Beats it hands down anytime, in fact.

How do you know it's from the Holy Ghost???? Seems like the Holy Spirit would want you to do the best that you could and that includes thinking God's thoughts after Him.

[OGIA]

Originally Posted by ReformedDave

Maybe I should have said "Using the principles found in Scripture I poked holes in your arguments....etc".

Maybe you just think you used scripture to do so? Isn't that a subjective statement on your part?

And you are correct that I believe the position I take is the way of Scripture.

So do I. Again, subjective.

How do you know it's from the Holy Ghost????

How do you know what you do is of the Holy Ghost?

Seems like the Holy Spirit would want you to do the best that you could and that includes thinking God's thoughts after Him.

I agree. What's your point? Are you saying that I don't think God's thoughts?

[ReformedDave]

Originally Posted by OGIA

Maybe you just think you used scripture to do so? Isn't that a subjective statement on your part?


So do I. Again, subjective.


How do you know what you do is of the Holy Ghost?


I agree. What's your point? Are you saying that I don't think God's thoughts?

Trying to be witty I see.......

How is using Scripture being subjective?

I don't think that the apologetic methodology shown is the Scriptural one.

[OGIA]

Originally Posted by ReformedDave

Trying to be witty I see.......

I wouldn't call it "witty". I just call it calling it what it is. You think you used scripture to poke holes in my presentation. You have some valid points, but you certainly haven't shown me anything that I need to change. And isn't that what you set out to do -- show people how God deserves to be defended?

How is using Scripture being subjective?

I think you know.

I don't think that the apologetic methodology shown is the Scriptural one.

Who's, mine?

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Esther

I would have to say show me something in the Bible that you can prove is NOT truth!

Here's one I'm stuggling with: there are what seem to be promises in the Bible regarding healing of the sick. (I suspect we've all stuggled with this one, btw, and you probably know where I'm going with this!) BUT: not all prayers for healing result in healing. The typical responses to this are something like "Well, we don't understand why, but..." or "God's ways are not our ways" or "God has something better" (huh??) or "It's not in God's timing". None of these are very satisfying, when your loved one never recovers from an illness. And it does seem to be an example of the Bible not being 100% true.

And if the person dies from the illness, please don't say "Well, he got his healing in Heaven"! That is probably the worst, most blatant cop-out of all. It makes the whole idea of healing pointless.

Neither does it help much to say that the prayer was not in line with God's will. If it's sometimes not His will to heal, why does He promise healing in the Bible?

Or that the one praying didn't have enough faith. How much faith is enough? We've probably all seen many folks claim a healing, even to the point of stopping medication, then get hit will the illness again. I, for one, cannot fault their level of faith.

Another commonly given reason, and an insideous one it is: there must be "hidden sin". Let's pile on the guilt and shame. Blame the victim. But did Jesus (during His ministry, before the crucifixion) ever withhold healings due to sin? And how do these guilt trips glorify God? It may make us feel better to pass the blame, but how does the still sick person feel? Like a failure. Depressed and hopeless. Is that really what God wanted?

So, just as a discussion point (like I said, I am stuggling with it, myself), what do you say to this claim that many have put forth, that the scriptures that promise healing are, in fact, counter examples to the Bible's inerrancy? To put it bluntly, it seems to be a promise that is not kept!