What is a One Stepper?!

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Brother Price

Can you please give me scripture which proves this 'deposit doctrine'?

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Brother Price

Can you please give me scripture which proves this 'deposit doctrine'?

Look up the word "earnest". Here is the scripture that talks about the HG being the earnest of our inheritance.

13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14 Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
Eph 1:13-14 (KJV)

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by Brother Price

Can you please give me scripture which proves this 'deposit doctrine'?

William, the word earnest refers to a deposit, down payment or pledge.

Webster's dictionary describes is as:
Main Entry: 3earnest Function:noun Etymology:Middle English ernes, ernest, from Anglo-French arres, erres, plural of erre earnest, from Latin arra, short for arrabo, from Greek arrhabōn,ʽērābhōn pledge of Semitic origin; akin to Hebrew Date:13th century 1 : something of value given by a buyer to a seller to bind a bargain
2 : a token of what is to come :

I see Rico already gave you the scripture, above. (Eph. 1:13)

[Jack Shephard]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

I do not think this answers the question TRF. I think that this is the response to the Message of Jesus the Christ/Messiah. But first our initial response is to believe HE is. I think that in the NT it is stated many times to believe on Him and one is saved and other variations of that. Infact, in Acts 2:21 says, "But everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." This can not be talking about in baptism either cause by that time the baptism under Jesus had not been introduced into the equation of the conversation or the conversion. IMO

TRF....You never addressed my response to your post. I would assume you did not see it. So here you are again. Personally, I feel that everyone gets a measure of the spirit when the are repent/saved. I do believe one is saved at genuine repentance. Since we know that with out the spirit no one will see Him, believing that one is saved at repentance this verse Acts 2:21 would confirm the measure of spirit at repentance-for me at least. This is because all that calls on Him will be saved and one has to have the spirit to be see Him-thus it is confirmed.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by JTULLOCK

TRF....You never addressed my response to your post. I would assume you did not see it. So here you are again. Personally, I feel that everyone gets a measure of the spirit when the are repent/saved. I do believe one is saved at genuine repentance. Since we know that with out the spirit no one will see Him, believing that one is saved at repentance this verse Acts 2:21 would confirm the measure of spirit at repentance-for me at least. This is because all that calls on Him will be saved and one has to have the spirit to be see Him-thus it is confirmed.

There is only one place in the KJV where I know it speaks of believers as having a "measure of faith" but not a "measure of the Spirit".

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by Rico

Brother Price, there is absolutely no way I would ever go to MOW for spiritual advice. I have read too much of what he believes, and we are too far apart doctrinally for me to have any confidence in him as a spiritual advisor. I am sure there are people who feel differently, and I am not slamming him. I am just being honest.

I'm totally devastated!!!

[Ferd]

what a great thread! except there is t oo much for me to read!

[Rico]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

I'm totally devastated!!!

Hehehehe! Waaaaaah!

[Sam]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

There is only one place in the KJV where I know it speaks of believers as having a "measure of faith" but not a "measure of the Spirit".

However, in John 3:27-36 says:
27 John (the Baptizer) answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.
28 Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him.
29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.
30 He must increase, but I must decrease.
31 He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.
32 And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.
33 He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.
34 For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
35 The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

It's difficult to know if all of this is the testimony of John the Baptist or if some of the latter words are comment by the Apostle John. However, in verse 34 it says "he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him." I assume this refers to Jesus, and says that He does not have the Spirit by measure (He is the Holy Spirit/God/Father) in a body of flesh, and it seems this is in contrast to others who only receive a measure of the Spirit. In other words, Jesus -the unique Son of God-- does not just have a measure of the Spirit in contrast to the other sons of God who just have a measure.

Help me out here. If I am misreading something, somebody please give me some clarification of this verse. Reading several different versions doesn't seem to make it any clearer.

[mizpeh]

Sam, If you want to infer from that passage that the sons of God receive a measure of God's Spirit, the next question would be, when?