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View Poll Results: On Super Tue I am voting for:
Clinton 6 13.04%
Obama 5 10.87%
McCain 3 6.52%
Huckabee 12 26.09%
Romney 13 28.26%
Paul 7 15.22%
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Old 02-07-2008, 10:48 PM
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Barak Obama

Barak Obama is relatively new to the international political scene and hasn't been completely co-opted by the powers behind the NWO yet. Frankly they didn't invest in him because they never imagined a black man had a chance in the United States. They don't know if he's one of theirs...or if he's going to side with the people and challenge them like President Kennedy did.
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Barak Obama

Barak Obama is relatively new and fresh to the political scene and hasn't been completely co-opted by the powers behind the NWO yet. Frankly they didn't invest in him because they never imagined a black man had a chance in the United States. They don't know if he's one of theirs...or if he's going to side with the people and challenge them like President Kennedy did.
Incredible.
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Old 02-07-2008, 10:57 PM
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Dude, they're scared to death of him.

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Dude, they're scared to death of him.
Fact is, I would come close to voting for a tax and spend socialist liberal before casting a vote for a murderer - but he is both.

-- And yes, I really do believe abortion is murder of the same rank just prior to birth as after the birth.
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Old 02-07-2008, 11:19 PM
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Fact is, I would come close to voting for a tax and spend socialist liberal before casting a vote for a murderer - but he is both.

-- And yes, I really do believe abortion is murder of the same rank just prior to birth as after the birth.
Who has Obama murdered or forced to have an abortion?

You have to see what's happening. You're answering on psychological keys they've programmed you to have. When a solid argument is made that thwarts the globalist Republican elitists they have socially conditioned you to think "abortion". That is designed to use your own religious convictions against you...to serve THEIR interests.

As for taxes...bro...Bush hasn't lowered your taxes. He paid you off with a small tax rebate. In fact your tax shelters have been reduced while the tax shelters for corporate wealthy interests have nearly doubled. This shifts the cost of government to YOU, the middle class working man. The deficits they're running is a political strategy. First it puts us in financial dependency on China. But it also gives them a weapon. Democrats are dedicated to "PayGo" meaning the government pays as it goes, not on credit. The Democrats are committed to a balanced budget. If a Democrat gets elected they have to raise taxes. Why? TO PAY FOR THE REPUBLICAN DEFICITS. They have to get the deficit paid for before they can begin cutting taxes and instituting their platform. This process of cutting the taxes after the deficits are paid typically plays out later in a Democratic administration, this is why you see nice economic results after the deficit is paid. If you don't want the Democrats to raise taxes...don't elect deficit spending Republicans. Remember...the next administration will have to deal with the deficit of the Bush Administration. If it's a Republican administration they'll continue their deficit spending strategy. If they are a Democrat they will raise taxes to pay it off and then cut back with surplus as they position themselves to launch the more robust parts of their platform.
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Who has Obama murdered or forced to have an abortion?

You have to see what's happening. You're answering on psychological keys they've programmed you to have. When a solid argument is made that thwarts the globalist Republican elitists they have socially conditioned you to think "abortion". That is designed to use your own religious convictions against you...to serve THEIR interests.

As for taxes...bro...Bush hasn't lowered your taxes. He paid you off with a small tax rebate. In fact your tax shelters have been reduced while the tax shelters for corporate wealthy interests have nearly doubled. This shifts the cost of government to YOU, the middle class working man. The deficits they're running is a political strategy. First it puts us in financial dependency on China. But it also gives them a weapon. Democrats are dedicated to "PayGo" meaning the government pays as it goes, not on credit. The Democrats are committed to a balanced budget. If a Democrat gets elected they have to raise taxes. Why? TO PAY FOR THE REPUBLICAN DEFICITS. They have to get the deficit paid for before they can begin cutting taxes and instituting their platform. This process of cutting the taxes after the deficits are paid typically plays out later in a Democratic administration, this is why you see nice economic results after the deficit is paid. If you don't want the Democrats to raise taxes...don't elect deficit spending Republicans. Remember...the next administration will have to deal with the deficit of the Bush Administration. If it's a Republican administration they'll continue their deficit spending strategy. If they are a Democrat they will raise taxes to pay it off and then cut back with surplus as they position themselves to launch the more robust parts of their platform.
Uh no.

You may be right about some but not me.

I am not an establishment party man. That is one reason I was a state delegate for Patrick J Buchanan a few years back.

On the abortion issue...

When I hear abortion advocates speak I probably react the same way as you would in hearing someone proclaim "the right" to kill their own two year old son....

I have not been duped, I just have a bit of conscience remaining.
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Uh no.

You may be right about some but not me.

I am not an establishment party man. That is one reason I was a state delegate for Patrick J Buchanan a few years back.

On the abortion issue...

When I hear abortion advocates speak I probably react the same way as you would in hearing someone proclaim "the right" to kill their own two year old son....

I have not been duped, I just have a bit of conscience remaining.
Do you really think the Republicans plan on doing anything about abortion? It's just a political strategy. If they addressed abortion they'll loose a wedge issue that keeps many in their camp. They don't plan on doing anything about abortion's legality.

At least the Democrats are honest about keeping it legal and rare. Under Clinton the abortion rate significantly dropped (http://www.newsbatch.com/abor-usabort.html). It's ticked up slightly in some states under Bush, though still down nationwide as a whole.

While I may disagree with the liberals on this issue, at least their honest about where they stand.
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I have lost confidence in the Republican party and never really had it in the Democratic Party. If you want a purist, vote for Ron Paul (and lose your vote). LOL. It doesn't matter if you vote for a Republican or a Democrat, you get a politician and what is that? A person who is playing politics and gets his or her thrills from power. Either way in this election, we are in a mess.

America has passed the point of no return to ever get the majority to believe in Christian values. Not that the majority ever did.

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The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

As a nation in general, are we remembering God or forgetting Him?
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I have lost confidence in the Republican party and never really had it in the Democratic Party. If you want a purist, vote for Ron Paul (and lose your vote). LOL. It doesn't matter if you vote for a Republican or a Democrat, you get a politician and what is that? A person who is playing politics and gets his or her thrills from power. Either way in this election, we are in a mess.

America has passed the point of no return to ever get the majority to believe in Christian values. Not that the majority ever did.

Psalm 9:17
The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

As a nation in general, are we remembering God or forgetting Him?
That's the problem. Government cannot get anyone to believe this message. This is something that must be experienced personally. Government has a dirty job to do and that requires various degrees of compromise and balancing liberties of groups and individuals who are diametrically opposed to eachother. We've thought we could anoint the Republicans to "Christianize" America. Bros...that's the mission of the church. We do it by preaching the gospel. You can't vote people into the Kingdom of God.

I still have faith in America. Everyone is so focused on abortion's legality they miss the really good news. Abortion rates have been lower in the past 10 years than ever before in America's history. That's better than the abortion rates in some countries where abotion is absolutely illegal. Sadly most Ameicans can't relate to American Christianity. Why? Because American Christianity is married to Right Wing Conservative thinking right now. Not everyone agrees with the Right Wingers. If Christianity is considered a Right Wing religion, the average American who is more moderate will reject it. And that's what we're seeing. I know people who house church and refuse to go to an established church. Why? They say it's only for rightwing indoctrination. They'd rather just worship Jesus at home and share the gospel with people one on one. For some of these the issues are fair trade, torture, the environment, poverty relief, hunger relief, anti-war, education, etc. That's why there are so many new books coming out about how Christians need to step up to the plate and address more than just abortion and gay marriage.

The truth is that the Gospel will win. But it's going to happen through preaching and being patient with people. When you mention Bible believers the average American thinks of Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, and Fred Phelps. Each of these nutcases have done reparable damage to the cause of Christ through their draconian politicization of Christianity. The Church needs to be a place where Christians of all stripes can feel comfortable. Sometimes I've heard things I was just terrified about. I had a preacher preach over the pulpit about how Obama is a Muslim and won't salute the flag. Bro...that's a bogus email urban legend. Bro, he believed it because it was sent to him by a die hard Republican he trusts and it appeared to agree with the conservative cause. Bro...that REALLY bothers me.

The American people aren't rejecting Christ or the gospel. They are rejecting...us.
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Here's an interesting blurb....

http://www.rightwingwrongbird.com/20...ions_ab_9.html
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