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08-24-2010, 07:04 AM
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Re: The Difference Between the PCI of the Merger a
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Originally Posted by Shingledecker
This is another slime towards godly men and women that dare to believe the Bible in a textually consistent way.
I've met many preachers that in private confide that justification comes by grace alone through faith, but for fear of the "brethren" preach Acts 2:38 or Hell. There is really no other logical explanation for it.
Having a PAJC guy rail on PCIers is really not a very smart idea. Better check out your own wineskin. It just might need to be changed. |
Acts 2:38 cannot be changed. It is how we are saved by grace through faith. Its the application of acts 2:38 that may have the contention.
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08-24-2010, 10:44 AM
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Re: The Difference Between the PCI of the Merger a
My last post went into cyberspace somewhere...
1 Faith, I appreciate your last sentence. There is contention regarding the application. The issue isn't whether Acts 2:38 can be changed...obviously it is immutable. The issue is whether or not apostolics will continue to be contentious over the "application" of the verse.
The original post labeled anyone today that differs with the hardline position as a "Counterfeit". The person starting this post assumes that he has some kind of super-spiritual understanding of what the PCIers REALLY believed.
He would have treated the PCI brethren just as disrespectfully as he does those he considers counterfeits today.
Like you said, it has to do with the "application" of Acts 2:38.
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08-24-2010, 11:13 AM
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Re: The Difference Between the PCI of the Merger a
Preach Acts 2:38 and Mk 16:16 if you see it that way
Preach Acts 16:31 and Romans 10:9 if you see it that way
For it is written...
Phil 1
15 Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:
16 The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:
17 But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.
18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
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08-24-2010, 11:14 AM
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Re: The Difference Between the PCI of the Merger a
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Preach Acts 2:38 and Mk 16:16 if you see it that way
Preach Acts 16:31 and Romans 10:9 if you see it that way
For it is written...
Phil 1
15 Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:
16 The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:
17 But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.
18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice. |
How about preach it both ways as both are Bible?
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08-24-2010, 11:37 AM
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Re: The Difference Between the PCI of the Merger a
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How about preach it both ways as both are Bible?
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Yes..preach it all. I totally agree with you!!!
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08-24-2010, 11:42 AM
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Re: The Difference Between the PCI of the Merger a
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Yes..preach it all. I totally agree with you!!!
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This I believe is the essence of the true apostolic church 
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08-24-2010, 12:00 PM
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Re: The Difference Between the PCI of the Merger a
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This I believe is the essence of the true apostolic church |
I attend a trinitarian church...lol, I don't believe trinity though...(no thread derailment here..)
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08-24-2010, 12:05 PM
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Re: The Difference Between the PCI of the Merger a
if you do not believe in trinity than why on earth would you go (this totally blows me away)
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08-24-2010, 02:24 PM
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Re: The Difference Between the PCI of the Merger a
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if you do not believe in trinity than why on earth would you go (this totally blows me away)
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Some trinitarians believe OP's are not saved and some OP's believe trinitarians are not saved either. Well, I believe trinitarians are born again according to 1 John 5:1. I recognize not everyone agrees with this, but so be it.
Moroever, the bible says God gives the Holy Ghost to them that obey Him, and I know trinitarians definitely experience the Baptism of the Holy Ghost. (So who is obeying God, OP's or trinitarians?) In fact, when the Holy Ghost outpouring occured in the early 20th century, the receipients were largely trinitarian. However, God continued to reveal more light on His word (case in point: Godhead and water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ (not titles) and no doubt, we ought to walk in the light of the word He has revealed).
But, how is it that trinitarians whom some consider lost are going about preaching Jesus Christ? I can't understand how a lost person can be so passionate about bringing people to Jesus Christ (I just can't buy it)
What I am trying to say is that we have to be able to separate individuals from doctrine. Many trinitarians believe Jesus is the Almighty God, but their understanding of it is dicey. I would however not fellowship with a group that DOES NOT believe Jesus is God.
I also go to the trinity church knowing the God I serve. It is an individual affair. Jesus alone (not man) saved me. Whether others see Him the way I do is of no consequence...I know whom I have believed, I know I have eternal life through Jesus Christ, and the Spirit bears witness with my spirit that I am a child of God
I have to admit, when phrases like "Holy Trinity" come up in church, I get a queasy feeling in my stomach...lol
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08-24-2010, 03:31 PM
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Re: The Difference Between the PCI of the Merger a
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Some trinitarians believe OP's are not saved and some OP's believe trinitarians are not saved either. Well, I believe trinitarians are born again according to 1 John 5:1. I recognize not everyone agrees with this, but so be it.
Moroever, the bible says God gives the Holy Ghost to them that obey Him, and I know trinitarians definitely experience the Baptism of the Holy Ghost. (So who is obeying God, OP's or trinitarians?) In fact, when the Holy Ghost outpouring occured in the early 20th century, the receipients were largely trinitarian. However, God continued to reveal more light on His word (case in point: Godhead and water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ (not titles) and no doubt, we ought to walk in the light of the word He has revealed).
But, how is it that trinitarians whom some consider lost are going about preaching Jesus Christ? I can't understand how a lost person can be so passionate about bringing people to Jesus Christ (I just can't buy it)
What I am trying to say is that we have to be able to separate individuals from doctrine. Many trinitarians believe Jesus is the Almighty God, but their understanding of it is dicey. I would however not fellowship with a group that DOES NOT believe Jesus is God.
I also go to the trinity church knowing the God I serve. It is an individual affair. Jesus alone (not man) saved me. Whether others see Him the way I do is of no consequence...I know whom I have believed, I know I have eternal life through Jesus Christ, and the Spirit bears witness with my spirit that I am a child of God
I have to admit, when phrases like "Holy Trinity" come up in church, I get a queasy feeling in my stomach...lol |
1 john 5:1 is only one scripture that talks about being born again. I encourage to look up all scriptures about being born again.
I would also agree that hearing holy Trinity would make you queezy. The problem is if you have a 100 watt light bulb in truth and someone has a 60 watt lightbulb in truth.. the 100 watt will never be quite comfortable in the 6o as it is darker
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