The Difference Between the PCI of the Merger and the Current Counterfeits - Page 118

Sam · #**1171** 07-16-2010, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

Great quote. Thanks for sharing. Do you think most folks in the UPC are comfortable with this part of their history?

Many folks in the UPC today do not even know that was a part of their history.

Godsdrummer · #**1172** 07-17-2010, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Many folks in the UPC today do not even know that was a part of their history.

I have the book United We Stand which was required reading when I applied for ministerial license years ago. Along with a couple of others about the oneness movement. A few years ago I reread the UWS book and was reminded of the this fact. Which was a joy to me because I had come to see this as the way of Salvation.

The point for me is the idea that this was a new revelation for the end times as many see these as the end times they think this is what God was speaking of when he told of the former rain and the later rain.

For me this is makeing scripture say what it does not mean. And that God would send almost 1500 years of souls to hell because the light had gone out in the early part of the centurys before the dark ages.

DrPhil · #**1173** 07-17-2010, 08:20 AM

Thanks for sharing drummer. The whole idea of "new revelation" is a bit suspect as well. The teaching about the "oneness" is that you had to have a "revelation" of the oneness. The last days is very explicit in scripture. It is the period of time between the resurrection and the second coming. The revelation we have and need is the Scripture.

Hoovie · #**1174** 07-21-2010, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

Thanks for sharing drummer. The whole idea of "new revelation" is a bit suspect as well. The teaching about the "oneness" is that you had to have a "revelation" of the oneness. The last days is very explicit in scripture. It is the period of time between the resurrection and the second coming. The revelation we have and need is the Scripture.

What? You question our Holy Grail?

We have revealed the Revelation here http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ad.php?t=26955

DrPhil · #**1175** 08-01-2010, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Hoovie

What? You question our Holy Grail?

We have revealed the Revelation here http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ad.php?t=26955

The closest I ever got to the "revelation" was when I was sitting in my theology class and had the "revelation" that the doctrine of the trinity was written to defend that there was one God not many gods. It was to say to a culture that believed in many gods that there was only one God revealed to us as father, son, and Holy Ghost. It's okay to debate the finer points of the godhead, but the charge of "tritheism" is unfair to those who are trinitarians.

Godsdrummer · #**1176** 08-01-2010, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

The closest I ever got to the "revelation" was when I was sitting in my theology class and had the "revelation" that the doctrine of the trinity was written to defend that there was one God not many gods. It was to say to a culture that believed in many gods that there was only one God revealed to us as father, son, and Holy Ghost. It's okay to debate the finer points of the godhead, but the charge of "tritheism" is unfair to those who are trinitarians.

And a big AAAAMEM

onefaith2 · #**1177** 08-23-2010, 11:57 AM

Let me ask you guys a question. Is it necessary for people to dispute at what point a person is saved or not? If you take all the Bible for what it states, salvation is both an event and a process. If people think once they have experience acts 2:38 they are 100% saved (meaning heaven bound), they miss the whole point of the Holy Ghost which is not only to help us be born again but to lead us into all truth. I believe it would behoove us well to just compel people to obey the Acts 2:38 message and receive his spirit and live according to God's leading to walk the path of salvation.
Why then should we argue over "when" the moment a person is saved if not just to console us that our baptist, methodist, etc brethren may make it too? Is that really what it is? To make us feel better that heaven may be more than just US apostolics. I can tell you it will be but everyone there will be born of water and of spirit.

onefaith2 · #**1178** 08-23-2010, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DrPhil

The closest I ever got to the "revelation" was when I was sitting in my theology class and had the "revelation" that the doctrine of the trinity was written to defend that there was one God not many gods. It was to say to a culture that believed in many gods that there was only one God revealed to us as father, son, and Holy Ghost. It's okay to debate the finer points of the godhead, but the charge of "tritheism" is unfair to those who are trinitarians.

To note here if a person believes they will see three in heaven, Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.. all separate and they are all equal.. that is as close to tritheism as you can get. Many do believe that.

While if we believe we will see the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost as the One true God in the likeness that He is, then its not really tritheism, whether its trinitarian, oneness, binitarian, etc..

onefaith2 · #**1179** 08-23-2010, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Sam

Many folks in the UPC today do not even know that was a part of their history.

Do you think those that do write it off as a non issue because ultimately they all believe in acts 2:38 and the end result would be the same?

Sabby · #**1180** 08-23-2010, 03:41 PM

This is another slime towards godly men and women that dare to believe the Bible in a textually consistent way.
I've met many preachers that in private confide that justification comes by grace alone through faith, but for fear of the "brethren" preach Acts 2:38 or Hell. There is really no other logical explanation for it.
Having a PAJC guy rail on PCIers is really not a very smart idea. Better check out your own wineskin. It just might need to be changed.