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Old 11-08-2012, 06:27 PM
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Re: Prominent Memphis Area Pastor Resigns

TV1 and Are You Ready......you two are like two people in the corner of a busy room just holding your own conversation.
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Old 11-08-2012, 06:58 PM
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Sorry Renda. Tv1a sort of sucked me into his insanity.
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:01 PM
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Are You Ready points out serious flaws in the OP discipleship. I suggested they are more concerned about knowing who Jesus is than knowing Jesus. I found an interesting link about the dangers of fundamentalism. It's not a OP hit piece.
http://www.churchleaders.com/mobile/...Daily+20121108
While I do not totally disagree, I do not totally agree either. You took the conversation over to that ignorant 80/20 rule. My issue with you ...ONCE AGAIN...is your disrespect and division of the people.
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:23 PM
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You say in one post you shouldn't have to go into detail. But twist what I say, even when I clearly explained the terminoloigy. If you honestly believe everyone speaks on God's behalf, we'll hook you up with Transparant, or Bill Price. God hasn't called everyone to nit-pick about problems that don't affect you. If you are so concerned about OP image, try putting out fires instead of puring gas on the flame.

One thing that you have not done, despite repeated asking, is to explain what you believe. I asked you several times are you a pastor? An Evangelist? An Anointed saint? What are you? Who says you have the authority that you are taking onto yourself? Who gave to you that authority?

You are not going to find anywhere in this thread where I spread any gossip. I pointed out my own observations and opinions solely about what is already written here. Do you envision yourself as a peacemaker?
You have the option of leaving this topic without comment. However, since you are still here...you are part of what you say the problem is.

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A few blatent misconceptions I will clear up again,
1. People who are in the 20% of an organization are not randomly chosen. The 20% sets themselves apart to where they get into the inner circle. That's in any organization. It's not the systems fault OP's don't empower the saints. OP's may get better results if they spent more time being like Jesus and less time trying to convince people their perceptions og Christ.
This is a true statement only to some extent. However, you are using a concept that limits people to 20 % of whatever given number, and you are using scriptures that you think explains your concept of a few teaching the many. You are looking at this from your own inner circle perspective. That is cultish behavior.

But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

(I John 2:27)

Don't bother to reiterate your version of this scripture. I think it is quite plain and I believe it.

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2. Jesus focused more on the 70 than the 5000. Jesus spent more time with 12 than 70. Jesus spent more time with the big three, Peter, James, and John. Can't argue with the results. They did better their first sermon than Jesus did on his first sermon. Teacher taught students well.
And who gave them that first sermon? It did not come from within themselves. The Holy Ghost gave them the words to speak that revelation that they taught on that day of Pentecost.

Jesus had the ability to peer into the disciples hearts and thoughts. He saw the potential of these men to carry on His gospel long after he was crucified, died, buried, rose again and ascended up to Heaven. Yet, Peter, James and John all failed Christ in His hour of need. Christ had to correct them many times during their learning period.

The Holy Ghost wasn't given until about 10 days after He ascended on high. Even the disciples did not have the Holy Ghost until then. They received it among with the initial 120. Jesus gave Peter the commandment to feed his sheep. Jesus also knew that the Holy Ghost was going to give Peter the anointing to preach what he did on that day. Yes, the disciples were hand picked by Jesus...but again...there is no man today that has the discernment that Jesus had, at least not on his own. There is no man today that can decide what another man may or may not do for the Kingdom of God. The Holy Ghost decides who are the overseers. Acts 20:28 and they receive that authority and power from the Holy Ghost....not by some ordination process after seminary school. If it wasn't for the Holy Spirit teaching, then those out of seminary school would have the same status as an elementary school teacher. It is the Holy Ghost that teaches us, comforts us and guides us into all things.

Did Paul spend time in discipleship with Christ? No. God stopped him on the road to Damascus and told Paul what to do. God then told Ananias what to do for Paul. The Holy Ghost taught Paul the gospel to the gentiles. Paul had to correct Peter in some of Peter's actions. So that goes to show you that your 80/20 rules is scripturally not accurate.

Gee....I wonder how the Ethiopian Eunuch even made it without the 80/20 rule? Who taught him after Philip baptized him and he went on his way rejoicing in the Spirit?

It is simple. The Holy Ghost taught him.


Now let's take a look at Simon in Acts 8:9-24.

He bewitched the people of Samaria giving out that himself was some great one. To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying this man is the great power of God.
But then the people believed Philip preaching the things concerning the Kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, and they were baptized, both men and women.

Short version: Simon believed and was baptized, but he did not receive the Holy Ghost. Simon foolishly offered money to the Apostles to give him that power of laying on of the hands. Peter rebuked him sharply.

Simon the sorcerer was not being taught by the Holy Ghost.
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:34 PM
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Old 11-08-2012, 07:34 PM
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not multiples from the same church though !
Not all from the same church - just different Pentecostal ones in the city through the years. Very sad.
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Old 11-08-2012, 08:21 PM
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Not all from the same church - just different Pentecostal ones in the city through the years. Very sad.
Yup. Only #2 from that church that I am aware of. Of course that is two too many.
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I've done a of research, college papers, reports, speeches about 80/20 rule. I have books which deal with the 80/20 principle. So it's more than cutting and pasting something googled off the internet.
First of all, I don't give a rip about your ignorant 80/20 rule reports, speeches, research and college papers. All that teaching just wisdom of words that all about amounts to cut and paste google articles anyway.

Who are YOU when you infer that a saint filled with the Holy Spirit may not 'make the grade' from your 80/20 rule? Are you inferring that those people must come up to you or any teacher to be fit to learn and teach others?

Jesus thanked the Father that He's hid from the wise and prudent of this world and revealed it to the babes in Christ.


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17For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.

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Jesus wasn't a pacifist. He told someone whoi made excuses not to be in the inner circle to let the dead bury the dead.


This someone who asked the Lord to suffer first to go and bury his father. Jesus said, “Follow me and the dead bury their dead.
Christ said nothing about this man coming into any “inner circle”. And the bible doesn’t say whether he stayed and buried his father or that he followed Christ. The bible only says what Christ told him and not how this man responded....and it was one of his disciples that asked it! (Matthew 8:21,22) So how can you imply this man never made it into what you call “the inner circle” because of his excuses?

But here in Luke 9:59, 60
59 And he said unto another, Follow me. But he said, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father.
60 Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.

I see nowhere nowhere anything about being in an ‘inner circle’. Jesus told him to let the dead bury their dead, but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.

Again...there is no indication that this man did not comply to Christ’s command. The bible simply does not say.

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He called a woman a dog.
Christ did not directly call this woman a dog in a derogatory manner. She was outside of the covenant of Israel, of which people Christ was sent to first. She responded that even dogs desire the crumbs. Let’s put this in the context that the scriptures wrote.


Mark 7:26-29
The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation; and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter.
27 But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it unto the dogs.
28 And she answered and said unto him, Yes, Lord: yet the dogs under the table eat of the children's crumbs.
29 And he said unto her, For this saying go thy way; the devil is gone out of thy daughter.


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Christ tole the pharisees the devil was their daddy. He had little tolerance for religiosity.
HEH. This is not even in the same class as calling people trailor park trash webcam profits. Jesus perceived what they really are...who their father was. Jesus did not play with words. Yet, he never got personal with flippant derogatory terms.

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The same Christ was loving and compassionate for the underdog. That's why he taught His disciples who in turn taught others.
Not quite. Christ desired even the scribes and pharisees to be saved. But their pride and arrogance of their “knowledge” and “power” kept them from seeing the truth of who Christ is.

Going back to Christ’s statement:

Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.

Not that the Father has revealed to a choice “inner circle” of people these things.


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The same Christ was loving and compassionate for the underdog. That's why he taught His disciples who in turn taught others.
While I agree that Christ is loving and compassionate for the underdog, it is not WHY he taught his disciples. He may have taught the disciples many things to be merciful to people who are not of high status, but that was not the sole reason.
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I forgot to add my last sentence in this paragraph, in red at the bottom.

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Now let's take a look at Simon in Acts 8:9-24.

He bewitched the people of Samaria giving out that himself was some great one. To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying this man is the great power of God.
But then the people believed Philip preaching the things concerning the Kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, and they were baptized, both men and women.

Short version: Simon believed and was baptized, but he did not receive the Holy Ghost. Simon foolishly offered money to the Apostles to give him that power of laying on of the hands. Peter rebuked him sharply.

Simon the sorcerer was not being taught by the Holy Ghost.

Simple lesson: We should not always follow a man who, from the least to the greatest regards that man as having the power of God. He could be as Simon the sorcerer.
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Are You Ready, Bible scholars tie 1 John 2:24 into 1 John 2:27. The progression starts with John reminding the church what he taught. The passage deals with fighting the Spirit of the antichrist.

Before Paul went into the wilderness for revelation, he was mentored by Barnabas. Paul spent time with the apostles after his conversion. Paul showed the desire and commitment to spread the gospel.
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