The Difference Between the PCI of the Merger and the Current Counterfeits

[rrford]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

RR .. I understand you points. However, is there a distinction to be made when it comes to our salvation, as it applies to our redemption?

I could say yes and be "technically' right. I could also say "no" and be technically right.

For instance we know that Jesus shed His blood at Calvary for the salvation of mankind. Yet Acts 20:28 states "Whom God hath purchased with His own blood."

What I have read thus far is a great deal of true semantics over the Godhead. It seems to me that everyone here does believe the Oneness view but both sides are more concerned about convincing the other that they do not instead of finding the common ground that exists. JMHO.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by rrford

I could say yes and be "technically' right. I could also say "no" and be technically right.

For instance we know that Jesus shed His blood at Calvary for the salvation of mankind. Yet Acts 20:28 states "Whom God hath purchased with His own blood."

What I have read thus far is a great deal of true semantics over the Godhead. It seems to me that everyone here does believe the Oneness view but both sides are more concerned about convincing the other that they do not instead of finding the common ground that exists. JMHO.

I agree also ... does our salvation hinge our our view of the Godhead?

[rrford]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I agree also ... does our salvation hinge our our view of the Godhead?

There is another one of those technical questions. There are a myriad of scriptures that attest one needs to understand the Godhead to be saved. But it is hard for some to swallow that as they have no inclination to study the Word.

[JN Anderson]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

and the point is.

Hmmmm...

This is the passage that Bernard feels is the strongest statement linking justification with the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 6:11). There are three phrases in 1 Corinthians 6:11, they are given special emphasis in the Greek by the repetition of "but" (KJV). However, to repeat this word three times would be awkard in our English idiom. These three clauses refer to different aspects, rather than successive stages, of what God has done for believers. A translation such as "you were purified, then dedicated, then put right with God"(1) would be wrong. Paul is talking about some happenings in the overall picture of the Holy Spirit working in our lives. This is the Spirit of God doing these things generally, not that the declaration of Justificaton ONLY happens at the Spirit baptism.

Also, the normal understanding of remission of sins is to be connected in Acts 2:38 with repentance and baptism. Are we really ready to say that we are not "washing" until we are baptized by the Holy Spirit? This is the logical conclusion if we say that justification does not occur until we are Holy Spirit baptized.

NOTES:

1. Ellingworth, P., Hatton, H., & Ellingworth, P. (1995). A handbook on Paul's first letter to the Corinthians. Rev. ed. of: A translator's handbook on Paul's first letter to the Corinthians. UBS handbook series; Helps for translators (131). New York: United Bible Societies.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Sabellius

Hmmmm...

This is the passage that Bernard feels is the strongest statement linking justification with the Holy Spirit (1 Corinthians 6:11). There are three phrases in 1 Corinthians 6:11, they are given special emphasis in the Greek by the repetition of "but" (KJV). However, to repeat this word three times would be awkard in our English idiom. These three clauses refer to different aspects, rather than successive stages, of what God has done for believers. A translation such as "you were purified, then dedicated, then put right with God" would be wrong. Paul is talking about some happenings in the overall picture of the Holy Spirit working in our lives. This is the Spirit of God doing these things generally, not that the declaration of Justificaton ONLY happens at the Spirit baptism.

Also, the normal understanding of remission of sins is to be connected in Acts 2:38 with repentance and baptism. Are we really ready to say that we are not "washing" until we are baptized by the Holy Spirit? This is the logical conclusion if we say that justification does not occur until we are Holy Spirit baptized.

Interesting ... I will post at the justification thread also.

Originally Posted by Felicity

Some suffer from "trinitarianoia" -- a peculiar disorder suffered by many Oneness people.

I have the disease I suippose and I am quite thankful for it!

thanks for putting a lable on it!

[JN Anderson]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I agree also ... does our salvation hinge our our view of the Godhead?

In some sense it must Daniel. If not enter Pandora's Box. For example, would the view of tritheism or hinduism be acceptable in the sight of God on Judgement Day? I think we must end somewhere and not leave the ends frayed to later come unraveld further. I believe it is biblical as well:

"For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse," Romans 1:20 NKJV

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

So are you saying the man, Christ Jesus, was not God?

I am saying that he was the flesh (fleshly manifestation of the one God who is a spirit) of God (some like to call him the son of God) and that flesh died as he yielded up the eternal Holy Spirit that caused him to linger in his desperate condition on the cross. That same God raised up and glorified that flesh as his only person or body and the fullness of the God head dwells in that glorified flesh unto this day! There is no distinction in my God. He is numerically, in Person and in essence ONE!

When I say Jesus I have encompassed the whole of God!

Based on what I have read here and in other sites, I AM more oneness than many so-called Oneness Apostolics!

Originally Posted by Sabellius

In some sense it must Daniel. If not enter Pandora's Box. For example, would the view of tritheism or hinduism be acceptable in the sight of God on Judgement Day? I think we must end somewhere and not leave the ends frayed to later come unraveld further. I believe it is biblical as well:

"For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse," Romans 1:20 NKJV

Quite right.

The Godhead is knowable and the Truth of which is indispensable.

[JN Anderson]

Here is an interesting translation of 1 Cor. 6:11:

"Some of you were like that. But the Lord Jesus Christ and the Spirit of our God have cleansed you from sin, dedicated you to God, and put you right with God." *

* Ellingworth, P., Hatton, H., & Ellingworth, P. (1995). A handbook on Paul's first letter to the Corinthians. Rev. ed. of: A translator's handbook on Paul's first letter to the Corinthians. UBS handbook series; Helps for translators (132). New York: United Bible Societies.