Tithing…Is it a command? - Page 111

Sean · #**1101** 10-13-2014, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by flamingzword

no tithe has ever paid a penny of my salary. :d

in over 30 years of ministry i have received zero, none, nothing, zilch, nada from the ministry, not so much as a red penny.

I did this to stop evil speaking and false accusations against my ministry.
And i happened to know some preachers who worked for a living and never took nothing from the ministry.

So be careful on what you say of us pro-tithe ministers.

and no i am not going to stop preaching tithes.

No matter what the Bible says about it being disannulled...that's that...lol

shag · #**1102** 10-13-2014, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by FlamingZword

NO tithe has ever paid a PENNY of my salary.

In over 30 years of ministry I have received ZERO, NONE, NOTHING, ZILCH, NADA from the ministry, not so much as a red Penny.

I did this to stop evil speaking and false accusations against my ministry.
and I happened to know some preachers who worked for a living and never took nothing from the ministry.

So be careful on what you say of us pro-tithe ministers.

and no I am not going to stop preaching tithes.

If you're going to preach it, you have to be able to teach it.

So pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze teach us Gentiles from the scriptures:

1) WHO ALL in this New Covenant is require to tithe according to the scriptures.
2) WHO ALL according to scripture, as part of the new covenant ministries is required or "allowed" to receive tithes from those you list in the above first question as require to pay.
3) Can anything, some things, or nothing be substituted for money according to the scriptures to fullfill ones obligation to tithe?
4) Can anyone ever have a jubilee year off from tithing according to the scriptures?
5) Are the poor, the fatherless, and the widows always suppose to tithe from any source of income, whether in money, food or whatever they earned?

And house church....
Who all should receive everyone else's tithes, and who all pays?

Are these not reasonable questions?

Rudy · #**1103** 10-13-2014, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by shag

If you're going to preach it, you have to be able to teach it.

So pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeze teach us Gentiles from the scriptures:

1) WHO ALL in this New Covenant is require to tithe according to the scriptures.
2) WHO ALL according to scripture, as part of the new covenant ministries is required or "allowed" to receive tithes from those you list in the above first question as require to pay.
3) Can anything, some things, or nothing be substituted for money according to the scriptures to fullfill ones obligation to tithe?
4) Can anyone ever have a jubilee year off from tithing according to the scriptures?
5) Are the poor, the fatherless, and the widows always suppose to tithe from any source of income, whether in money, food or whatever they earned?

And house church....
Who all should receive everyone else's tithes, and who all pays?

Are these not reasonable questions?

At one point the tither threw a party and ate some of the tithe! Oh my!!

Sean · #**1104** 10-14-2014, 07:59 AM

Levitical Tithe-Recipients Could Not Own Land.

The false assumption today is that preachers can both receive tithes and also own land.

In exchange for receiving tithes, both Levites and priests forfeited all rights to permanent land inheritance inside Israel (Num 18:20-26; Deu 12:12; 14:27, 29; 18:1, 2; Josh 13:14, 33; 14:3; 18:7; Eze 44:28). Even if tithes were New Covenant they would first go to the ordinary workers who assist the preachers and maintain the buildings.

Originalist · #**1105** 10-14-2014, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Sean

Levitical Tithe-Recipients Could Not Own Land.

The false assumption today is that preachers can both receive tithes and also own land.

In exchange for receiving tithes, both Levites and priests forfeited all rights to permanent land inheritance inside Israel (Num 18:20-26; Deu 12:12; 14:27, 29; 18:1, 2; Josh 13:14, 33; 14:3; 18:7; Eze 44:28). Even if tithes were New Covenant they would first go to the ordinary workers who assist the preachers and maintain the buildings.

When things like this are pointed out the pro-tithers hit the "pre-law" escape button and argue that since tithing is mentioned before the Law it is still in effect now. But later, when it suits them, they'll go right back to arguing for tithing citing Malachi chapter 3. There is no group who takes liberties with scripture like this bunch does. They make up the rules of interpretation as they go.

Sean · #**1106** 10-14-2014, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Originalist

When things like this are pointed out the pro-tithers hit the "pre-law" escape button and argue that since tithing is mentioned before the Law it is still in effect now. But later, when it suits them, they'll go right back to arguing for tithing citing Malachi chapter 3. There is no group who takes liberties with scripture like this bunch does. They make up the rules of interpretation as they go.

Yes indeed, they are "masters" at the principles of hermeneutics, but when it comes to the doctrine of tithing, they are suddenly "novices"...LOL

Sean · #**1107** 10-14-2014, 05:22 PM

I had a 4 hour breakfast visit with a UPC pastor/presbyter today. It was VERRRRY interesting. He wants our help, but I told him there can be NO situations with our tithing differences. We are praying with him about a "compromise" on his part to help there. He mentioned the "God robber" thing and I told him that he could have a "God robber" working in his congregation.(me). He will have to back off on that rhetoric to have us help him.

I showed him my take on the Law(no partial Law). That we are not under it, so Mal. doesnt apply. He saw exactly where I was coming from. I will keep you guys informed about it. I am hoping for a "breakthrough" for us in the UPC.(this man is an elder and very well known in the area)

Rudy · #**1108** 10-14-2014, 07:42 PM

I believe in the upc ministers are obligated to sign a statement that they will teach and practice tithing. It will be interesting to see how this unfolds. What kind of help is he looking for?

KeptByTheWord · #**1109** 10-14-2014, 08:13 PM

Will be praying for you and this situation Sean, that the Lord will lead and guide you.

Esphes45 · #**1110** 10-14-2014, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Sean

I had a 4 hour breakfast visit with a UPC pastor/presbyter today. It was VERRRRY interesting. He wants our help, but I told him there can be NO situations with our tithing differences. We are praying with him about a "compromise" on his part to help there. He mentioned the "God robber" thing and I told him that he could have a "God robber" working in his congregation.(me). He will have to back off on that rhetoric to have us help him.

I showed him my take on the Law(no partial Law). That we are not under it, so Mal. doesnt apply. He saw exactly where I was coming from. I will keep you guys informed about it. I am hoping for a "breakthrough" for us in the UPC.(this man is an elder and very well known in the area)

I'm surprised someone from UPC would compromise alone like that. I thought they would have to get approval or something. You must be important to his cause.