When the Pharisees Accused Jesus of Being used by the Devil... - Page 11

Nahum · #**101** 03-06-2007, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

No, I didn't say harsh and malicious. I think Chan is way over the top with his persistence. It's enough to state your views once and let them be heard. But what does Chancellor have to do with Coonskinner and rrford?

Why are they all being lumped together? I disagree with Rhoni on a number of issues. Does that mean I'm also going to be called harsh?

Chancellor posted his disagreements in the same way, in the same fashion, with the same persistence and frequency on the NFCF and FCF. It's to be expected. So I am not even addressing his posts in my assessment of the thread.

Heated disagreement does not equate abuse. That's just my opinion. I'm straightforward and blunt, but I do not believe I have ever posted a single post that could be called abusive, and I certainly have never posted a single post that I am ashamed of. And yet, there are probably some who would label me as a Big Fat Meanie, and when they do I say "go ahead", because I like the way I post, and if that makes me a BFM then I embrace the term, because I believe I am a godly person and my posts reflect it.

I think it's great that you and Daniel and J-Roc have decided to be Rhoni's defenders, and I assume you feel she is a damsel in distress. Be her heroes. Go for it. Just don't be upset when others don't hold the universal opinion that you are being heroic.

Just to clarify, previously I had only skimmed a few posts on the thread, and this morning I only read a couple, as I stated to you in PM. However, I have spent the last 45 minutes reading the thread more thoroughly, particularly posts by CS, rrford, Malvaro and Rhoni's responses to them, so I think I'm qualified to offer my opinion.

My sympathies don't really lie with Rhoni here. Does that mean I'm a meanie?

No, from what I see you're rather perceptive. I am nobody's hero.

SDG · #**102** 03-06-2007, 01:41 PM

Has nothing to do with Rhoni ... although she is being attacked ....B ... there is a pattern of behavior I am reacting to ... 'nuff said.

#**103** 03-06-2007, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

So you think its all right to tell someone they are of the devil? That would be blunt and straightforward.

Only if you are omniscient and know absolutely that the person really is "of the devil."

J-Roc · #**104** 03-06-2007, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Chan

Yes, that was the motive and there is nothing wrong with that. But her "beacon of hope and healing" is based not in Christ and His word but in a wicked worldly philosopy, i.e. psychology.

The problem wasn't with the purpose of the thread, it was that she was offering advice based on a wicked worldly philosophy (psychology). Worldly philosophies or (as Paul put it in 1 Corinthians) "wisdom" has no place in the Church. The only valid source of wisdom is God and His word.
No one was trying to do anything to Rhoni's emotions. She needs to stop taking attacks on her worldly philosophy as attacks on her personally. She is NOT her worldly philosophy and she is NOT her profession.

Maybe you should go back and read exactly what was said and note the context in which it was said (as well as Rhoni's own comments).

There is nothing cowardly about challenging false doctrine and worldly philosophies.

You act as if everything that involves the study of psychology is wicked...we all went and got degrees from schools that teach this supposed "wickedness" and we all know how to retain the good...I'd give her the benefit of the doubt that she too knows how to separate the good from the bad....so let's put down our crucifix and take a chill pill.

MissBrattified · #**105** 03-06-2007, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

No, from what I see you're rather perceptive. I am nobody's hero.

Well, I disagree with you. We're all heroes to someone.

I think it's heroic for a man to jump in to defend a woman, even if he's a bit misguided.

Case In Point:

Misguided Hero

SDG · #**106** 03-06-2007, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Roc

You act as if everything that involves the study of psychology is wicked...we all went and got degrees from schools that teach this supposed "wickedness" and we all know how to retain the good...I'd give her the benefit of the doubt that she too knows how to separate the good from the bad....so let's put down our crucifix and take a chill pill.

Paul quoted Greek philosophers ....

Nahum · #**107** 03-06-2007, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Chan

Only if you are omniscient and know absolutely that the person really is "of the devil."

What if I'm just really pretty sure? Would it be okay then?

Like uhm, child molesters, are they of the devil?
What about murderers? Rapists? Backbiters?

Are we really totally unable to discern spirits?

J-Roc · #**108** 03-06-2007, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Chan

Only if you are omniscient and know absolutely that the person really is "of the devil."

You dont need to be all-knowing to determine the works of satan. Some of his footprints are elephant footprints and many are very subtle and hidden....

Coonskinner · #**109** 03-06-2007, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Paul quoted Greek philosophers ....

But he didn't propose that they formed the basis for a "ministry."

#**110** 03-06-2007, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by J-Roc

You dont need to be all-knowing to determine the works of satan. Some of his footprints are elephant footprints and many are very subtle and hidden....

But you do have to be all-knowing before you have sufficient knowledge to say a particular PERSON is "of the devil."