That may well be, but what about the recidivism rate of those executed?
With all due respect.
Doesn't that logic ignore the question of application? If an innocent is executed then no it does not cut down on the recidivism rate, in that case because the true guilty party is still at large.
Point two, as stated earlier there is no evidence that the death penalty reduces murder rates, there is even some evidence to the contrary. (The gross total would of course include the recidivism rate)
Point three, life in prison without parole would accomplish just as much.
Point four, we have the occasional rare case like the Carla Faye Tucker, who converted after conviction,( heard the gospel for the first time in her life while in jail,) and was very involved in jail ministry, but executed nonetheless.
This particular case was a woman caught in the very act. I have a feeling that there weren't any exceptions for that.
He may not have had authority to carry out the punishment but he stopped those that did and forgave the woman.
First of all, I believe they were her accusers and not the ones that would carry out the penalty. That would have been representatives of the government(Romans). What ever He wrote on the ground caused the accusers not to want to pursue their accusations and Christ wasn't in a place of authority to do so.
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Doesn't that logic ignore the question of application? If an innocent is executed then no it does not cut down on the recidivism rate, in that case because the true guilty party is still at large.
Point two, as stated earlier there is no evidence that the death penalty reduces murder rates, there is even some evidence to the contrary. (The gross total would of course include the recidivism rate)
Point three, life in prison without parole would accomplish just as much.
Point four, we have the occasional rare case like the Carla Faye Tucker, who converted after conviction,( heard the gospel for the first time in her life while in jail,) and was very involved in jail ministry, but executed nonetheless.
With the same respect you give, give I unto thee..........
1. yes it does. I was being a tad bit flippant, which is not so good.
2. does gun ownership/concealed carry permits reduce crime? If so why?
3. not if they murder someone in jail. I wonder what the recidivism rate for murder is while in prison?
4. yes it can and does happen that the incarcerated find Jesus. I am very involved in prison ministry and have seen the Lord to some great things. Does Carla Fay having her sins washed away pay her debt to the State?
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With the same respect you give, give I unto thee..........
1. yes it does. I was being a tad bit flippant, which is not so good.
2. does gun ownership/concealed carry permits reduce crime? If so why?
3. not if they murder someone in jail. I wonder what the recidivism rate for murder is while in prison?
4. yes it can and does happen that the incarcerated find Jesus. I am very involved in prison ministry and have seen the Lord to some great things. Does Carla Fay having her sins washed away pay her debt to the State?
You know if the government would practice a combination of retribution and elimination as dictated by the Scripture there would be no need, or at least a very small one, for prisons.
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Doesn't that logic ignore the question of application? If an innocent is executed then no it does not cut down on the recidivism rate, in that case because the true guilty party is still at large.
Point two, as stated earlier there is no evidence that the death penalty reduces murder rates, there is even some evidence to the contrary. (The gross total would of course include the recidivism rate)
Point three, life in prison without parole would accomplish just as much.
Point four, we have the occasional rare case like the Carla Faye Tucker, who converted after conviction,( heard the gospel for the first time in her life while in jail,) and was very involved in jail ministry, but executed nonetheless.
The only problem I have with life in prison w/out parole is the fact that we the taxpayers are paying for them to enjoy all the ammenities of freedom, with the exception of them being behind bars.
The only problem I have with life in prison w/out parole is the fact that we the taxpayers are paying for them to enjoy all the ammenities of freedom, with the exception of them being behind bars.
You have obviously not spent any time in a prison........
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Psa 119:165 (KJV) 165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.
"Do not believe everthing you read on the internet" - Abe Lincoln
You have obviously not spent any time in a prison........
Okay, when we spend taxpaying dollars for them to go to college, watch movies, have a rec room, and excersize equipment (among other things), its like not being in prison. Just because they have a fence with barbed wire on top, doesn't mean that they aren't treated well. I understand that it costs taxpayers $30,000.00 to house one prisoner for a year, this is justice?
The only issue I have with Life without parole is the killer still has the chance to kill again.
Consider these
1. He can kill in prision.
2. He can escape and kill once out
3. He can at some point in the future, live long enough for the weight of his crime to dull with time. Then be released on the whim of as little as 5 men and women who would form a majority on the supreme court and then decide that life without parole is cruel and inhuman.
Consider in Louisiana there was such a case of a man who was found guilty of a grusom double murder during the days when the death penalty was unconstitutional. As a prisoner, he became well known as a helper to his fellow inmates and many decided he had become a "good guy". While he was serving a life w/out parole sentance, he came very close to being freed.
Who knows if he is/was really reformed? out of prison, this killer will have oppurtunity. Time is his friend.
There is only one way to stop a killer from killing again.
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With the same respect you give, give I unto thee..........
1. yes it does. I was being a tad bit flippant, which is not so good.
2. does gun ownership/concealed carry permits reduce crime? If so why?
3. not if they murder someone in jail. I wonder what the recidivism rate for murder is while in prison?
4. yes it can and does happen that the incarcerated find Jesus. I am very involved in prison ministry and have seen the Lord to some great things. Does Carla Fay having her sins washed away pay her debt to the State?
1 I had gotten the flippancy with you my friend, unfortunately there are those who honestly use that for a theme.
2. The studies on that are inconclusive.
3. If it is a capital case they are usually kept in isolation. As a prosecutor one of my assignments was to try and make this argument. Finding a single case of it (murder from isolation) happening was extremely difficult.
4. No it does not pay her debt to the state, but having her influencing fellow prisoners and teaching Bible studies just might help. And has been pointed out elsewhere in this thread a life penalty without parole is actually more cost effective than death. (Hopefully no one is going to suggest that we curtail the appellate process on a matter this important!)
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