The Source of Most Church Problems

[BreakingFree]

Originally Posted by revrandy

The truth is the men do need to make decisions...it's the way that God created them...in that order...the problem is women are having to make decisions because men have been too stupid to do so...

A husband that makes a decision sometimes supported by the wife..sometimes not (agreement is not always a test of love) but once the decision is made and acted on the wife will have much more respect for him than if he was wishy-washy... and undecided all the time..

Very well put!

[Newman]

Originally Posted by revrandy

The truth is the men do need to make decisions...it's the way that God created them...in that order...the problem is women are having to make decisions because men have been too stupid to do so...

A husband that makes a decision sometimes supported by the wife..sometimes not (agreement is not always a test of love) but once the decision is made and acted on the wife will have much more respect for him than if he was wishy-washy... and undecided all the time..

Can you give an example of a decision that a man needs to make without his wife's input and/or against her wishes?

And are you an oldest child and your wife a youngest child?

[Newman]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

That would be two adults of the opposite sex!

Have to make that clear these days!

THANK YOU!!!! Yes that is what I meant!

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by revrandy

The truth is the men do need to make decisions...it's the way that God created them...in that order...the problem is women are having to make decisions because men have been too stupid to do so...

A husband that makes a decision sometimes supported by the wife..sometimes not (agreement is not always a test of love) but once the decision is made and acted on the wife will have much more respect for him than if he was wishy-washy... and undecided all the time..

Not if it was a stupid or wrong decision!

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by Newman

Can you give an example of a decision that a man needs to make without his wife's input and/or against her wishes?

And are you an oldest child and your wife a youngest child?

Age or position doesn't have much to do with respect or decisions...

For example I purchased a boat that my wife did NOT want me to purchase...but I knew I could resell it and make some extra money...

I purchased against my wife's wishes and three days later doubled my money... nothing major but a decision I made none the less.... did her respect for my buying power diminish or rise?

[Nahum]

Originally Posted by revrandy

Funny the women staying home part...seems like some of the husbands I have spoke to lately do more housework when they get home...

A person I work with yesterday talked with me about his marriage...seems like he just wanted to tell someone... His wife works part-time (10 hrs a week) for the church he attends... well she is so worked...she is tired when she gets home... he does dishes, laundry, cleans the house, and cooks...

I told him... Bro.. your wife ain't tired.. she's lazy... but you know who's fault that is??? I told him it your fault... You haven't corrected the situation yet..

so until he corrects the situation it will remain...

some wives have the same problems with their husbands...they do everything while bubba does nothing... you know who's fault that is??? it's theirs because until they correct the situation... it will remain...

Here's what I teach.

1. It is the man's responsibility to be a gatherer and provider for his family. He should make enough to ensure that his wife and kids have food to eat, a home of their own, and the basic necessities of life. Anything else he provides is a bonus.

2. It is a woman's responsibility to care for the things of the home. I am not a cave man, I realize there are situations forced on women that they did not ask for. I also understand some women are stuck with lazy bums due to poor choices they made.

A single woman must work to live. A woman who is stuck with a dead beat for a husband has to work to live. I get that.

3. Many women do not work out of necessity. They work for two reasons.

A. They, and their husbands, want stuff. They are entangled in a spirit of materialism. They are willing to place their little ones in the arms of a stranger so they can go out and get more stuff. Reminds me a lot of Israelite parents who offered thier children in the fire of Molech.

Color me old-fashioned, but I still believe kids should be taught and nurtured by their own parents, not some state certified NEA whack-job.

B. They work because they choose to define themselves by a career rather than as a mother and wife. God's role is not good enough for them.

4. There is a lack of biblical masculinity in our world today. I WANT to take care of my wife. I don't want her to work for anyone else. I love her and want to provide for her. What is so wrong with that?

[revrandy]

on the other hand there have been decisions I made based upon what my wife thought... and sometime I made decisions and I should have listened to my wife... so it's give and take...

but for those who say they don't need a man...or woman... they just had too rough a road with the person they were with... everybody needs somebody...

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by Pastor Poster

Here's what I teach.

1. It is the man's responsibility to be a gatherer and provider for his family. He should make enough to ensure that his wife and kids have food to eat, a home of their own, and the basic necessities of life. Anything else he provides is a bonus.

2. It is a woman's responsibility to care for the things of the home. I am not a cave man, I realize there are situations forced on women that they did not ask for. I also understand some women are stuck with lazy bums due to poor choices they made.

A single woman must work to live. A woman who is stuck with a dead beat for a husband has to work to live. I get that.

3. Many women do not work out of necessity. They work for two reasons.

A. They, and their husbands, want stuff. They are entangled in a spirit of materialism. They are willing to place their little ones in the arms of a stranger so they can go out and get more stuff. Reminds me a lot of Israelite parents who offered thier children in the fire of Molech.

Color me old-fashioned, but I still believe kids should be taught and nurtured by their own parents, not some state certified NEA whack-job.

B. They work because they choose to define themselves by a career rather than as a mother and wife. God's role is not good enough for them.

4. There is a lack of biblical masculinity in our world today. I WANT to take care of my wife. I don't want her to work for anyone else. I love her and want to provide for her. What is so wrong with that?

Amen to this... role reversal seems to be a prevalant situation... but in reality it goes all the way back to the Garden of Eden and these few words...

"the woman gave me to eat"... lack of taking responsibility seems to be reflective of the Garden...

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by revrandy

Age or position doesn't have much to do with respect or decisions...

For example I purchased a boat that my wife did NOT want me to purchase...but I knew I could resell it and make some extra money...

I purchased against my wife's wishes and three days later doubled my money... nothing major but a decision I made none the less.... did her respect for my buying power diminish or rise?

What you don't know is you only got double for it because she was on her knees pleading with God to help in this situation!

[revrandy]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

What you don't know is you only got double for it because she was on her knees pleading with God to help in this situation!

you are probably right...