Do you have a pastor?

[coksiw]

Originally Posted by 1 God

The modern version you defaulted to was created by self appointed shepherds of Jesus' flock. The KJV translators never called themselves shepherds, knowing it would make them thieves and robbers. They knew John 10 said there was only 1 single Shepherd with 5 fold helpers.

I don't know if you realize what you are saying of the KJV translators. You are saying that they didn't thrive to have an accurate, high quality translation; but instead they made interpretations of the Scripture based on their own beliefs of what a verse should say?

I hope they didn't do that! We want to know what the original manuscripts said, not what the KJV translations believed it should say according to their own correlation of passages from another book!

[1 God]

Originally Posted by coksiw

I don't know if you realize what you are saying of the KJV translators. You are saying that they didn't thrive to have an accurate, high quality translation; but instead they made interpretations of the Scripture based on their own beliefs of what a verse should say?

I hope they didn't do that! We want to know what the original manuscripts said, not what the KJV translations believed it should say according to their own correlation of passages from another book!

They knew if they even hinted of substituting "shepherd" for the word "pastor" it would contradict John 10.
The modern versions could care less.
They knew the Greek meaning was elder, so elder was freely used throughout the translation.
A pastor is an elder.

[coksiw]

Originally Posted by 1 God

They knew if they even hinted of substituting "shepherd" for the word "pastor" it would contradict John 10.
The modern versions could care less.
They knew the Greek meaning was elder, so elder was freely used throughout the translation.
A pastor is an elder.

In both Scriptures I posted, "shepherd" is used as a verb, no as noun, and it says to shepherd as overseers, in both cases. The noun here is "overseer" not "shepherd".

KJV "Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof".
So you feed by taking oversight? Is it talking about feeding them what, that is related with oversight?

KJV "And when the chief Shepherd shall appear", why would Peter refers right below to the Chief Shepherd, and not just the Shepherd?

poimainō => translated as "to feed" in the KJV.
archipoimēn => translated as "chief Shepherd" in the KJV.

It is obvious that there is a relationship there in the text composition. Peter didn't say just poimēn, but archipoimēn, so there are some poimēn implicit in the text, and those are the ones that poimainō (shepherd) the poimnion (flock).

"to shepherd" is a perfectly fine translation, and probably clearer as you can see the greek word connection between the words in the text much better.

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

No way did I say there was no fight of faith. Or enduring. I exposed the truth that most Apostolic Preachers stand against the truth of sinless perfection. Obviously there is a maturing or growing in Christ.

But to act like overcoming sin consistently is not a part of it shows just how far modern preachers are from being Gods shepherds. To hear them tell it sin is greater than Gods grace.

All preachers that attack sinless perfection are either:

a. Tares to confuse the saints.
b. Sincere Christians who dont know Gods word rightly divided.

Thank God true ministry will be restored in the coming days for those who have ears to hear.

I agree, Sin is in no wise greater than the grace of God.

Yet,

Romans 6:7 KJVS
[7] For he that is dead is freed from sin.

I’m not saying anything you already don't know. Understanding, there is a difference between SIN, and TEMPTATION.

Just so I’m understanding what you’re posting, I just want to make a couple points.

I dont believe when Paul wrote the words, “fight the good fight....” he was in sin. The way the devil works is through temptation, the end result is up to you and I. If we chose to follow the temptation, then the result will be we have sinned. Yet, we war through the temptations that are thrown at us, temptations can be sexual, anger, hatred, fear, doubt, unbelief....

We can be free from sin, yet the fight against spirits that desire to strip you of your faith is going to be a constant fight.

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by Amanah

Sometimes you go to give rather than receive, go to pray, worship, and encourage others.

But if the people are malnourished they don’t have anything to give.

[diakonos]

Originally Posted by 1 God

You quoted Greek words and "definitions". This is "Bible correcting". this is a modern 'scholar" deep diving into meanings he thinks it should rather have said. I simply use the KJV for defining itself. If I have trouble with an ancient English word, I have an old English dictionary to help me. The NKJV etc,(translators) directly contradict John 10, and they can care less too.

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Reminds me of the pastor that would quote Webster’s.

Uhmm... WRONG!

[diakonos]

We can be free from sin, yet the fight against spirits that desire to strip you of your faith is going to be a constant fight.

Vhaat!?

[Nicodemus1968]

Originally Posted by diakonos

Vhaat!?

What should I clarify?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by 1 God

You quoted Greek words and "definitions". This is "Bible correcting". this is a modern 'scholar" deep diving into meanings he thinks it should rather have said. I simply use the KJV for defining itself. If I have trouble with an ancient English word, I have an old English dictionary to help me. The NKJV etc,(translators) directly contradict John 10, and they can care less too.

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Hello SEAN!!!!

[james34]

My present pastor is great , only down side is he baptize in the trinity formula.
Most of the sisters wear pants( dress slacks to church) jewelry is norm, double marriage is over 50%of the congregation , and they don’t take communion ( at least not in the last few years. But other than these minor issues ( little different than my former church) it’s a reall old fashioned strict holiness church.