House Rep Scalise Shot

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Jito463

Much like when Aquila posted the 97% myth about the Gorebol Climate Scam, and I posted a refutation that completely demolished it. Not a peep from him on the subject. No admission that he was wrong, not even an acknowledgement of my post. Just silence.

He is not for real, he just likes to push buttons. In every topic this guy has someone he personally knows who is being effected by it. Even his baloney about having PTSD wasn't from his time in military, but something about his upbringing in his neighborhood. He must of been raised in the middle of a Zombie Apocalypse, or something like that. When he and I were discussing Deuteronomy 22:5 he was checking in on the minute to the daily. Yet, when he dropped the watermelon by giving his opinion on the Bernie Supporter shooter, he busted the pillow. He couldn't crawfish fast enough and couldn't get all the feathers back into the pillow. Yet, he is probably in his dungeon pondering his next move to come back with some new maneuvers.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Jito463

Much like when Aquila posted the 97% myth about the Gorebol Climate Scam, and I posted a refutation that completely demolished it. Not a peep from him on the subject. No admission that he was wrong, not even an acknowledgement of my post. Just silence.

I realized it is a matter of interpretation. We'll just have to wait and see. And frankly, I pray you're right.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

And that is why I put him on ignore.
He will rarely acknowledge when he is wrong.
He will just disappear.
I even stalked him on other threads for a while in an effort to get him to address my rebuttals, but he ignored those posts, as well.
I have no time for those who engage in false debate.

Sometimes I back off to contemplate the points made. Sometimes I don't return because I realize it is simply a matter of interpretation and no amount of debate would be fruitful.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

He is not for real, he just likes to push buttons. In every topic this guy has someone he personally knows who is being effected by it. Even his baloney about having PTSD wasn't from his time in military, but something about his upbringing in his neighborhood. He must of been raised in the middle of a Zombie Apocalypse, or something like that. When he and I were discussing Deuteronomy 22:5 he was checking in on the minute to the daily. Yet, when he dropped the watermelon by giving his opinion on the Bernie Supporter shooter, he busted the pillow. He couldn't crawfish fast enough and couldn't get all the feathers back into the pillow. Yet, he is probably in his dungeon pondering his next move to come back with some new maneuvers.

EB, if you're a minister, you too will know enough people to realize that many around you are being effected by numerous things. For example, do you know anyone on Medicare or receiving Medicaid? You probably know dozens. And odds are, they'll be effected by various policy changes in these areas to varying degrees. Perhaps I just pay closer attention.

In addition, there are aspects of my time in the military I can't discuss, and even some I'm not interested in discussing. I'm sure you can understand that.

[n david]

Hi Aquila.

Originally Posted by n david

Still waiting for the source showing how this mom you claim to know will cap out on insurance for a healthcare plan which hasn't been drafted in the Senate, hasn't passed Congress and hasn't been signed into law by Trump!

BUMP

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

Of course you "know" someone who's affected. It's amazing how many people close to you are affected by EVERY. SINGLE. ISSUE. possibly discussed on here.

Her name is Hope. She has a child born with only half a brain (I don't remember the exact name of the condition). Her son, Michael, has Tourette's Syndrome and ITP. She is my niece-in-law. I've included pictures of Hope and her children on this post. Her son Michael is the older boy on the far right in the picture wherein Hope's kids are wearing flag T-shirts. Her daughter, Angel, was the poster child for 13th Annual URS Duck Regatta in 2016 here in Dayton, Ohio.

BTW, I'd like you to post the source of the AHCA caps. I want you to show me where this alleged mother saw the insurance caps under AHCA.

Working in a hospital (as an aid) she is privy to conversations that I am not. I do remember when Trump first became President and stated that the planned on repealing Obamacare, multitudes of sources discussed the impact of lifetime caps could have on various people who depend upon certain plans should they return. And as more comes to light about the Trumpcare bill, it looks like they are on their way. Her plan is one that could very well be effected by the changes under Trumpcare. This greatly concerns her.

You're posting the claim that the AHCA, which hasn't even been passed by Congress ... the AHCA, which will be modified over and over before being passed and sent to Trump to be signed into law ... you're claiming some mother you know says that the AHCA will cap her insurance within a couple months.

The GOP plans on ramming this down our throats in a 10 hour session without any hearings or amendment processes. They want to force it into becoming law and then backtrack to fix issues. Of course, once something is law and special interests are benefiting from it, you can bet your bottom dollar any modification will be an uphill battle.

Let me say I'm VERY skeptical that this is true. Either the lady you claim to know is lying or she's being lied to or she doesn't exist. It's incredible that every issue you know someone affected. But let's pretend you do. It shouldn't be hard to contact this lady and get her source to post it here.

I know a lot of people. I know at least a half dozen on Medicare Medicaid. I know dozens of working Americans who have health issues they have requested prayer for. My lady-love, Christina works for Saint Vincent De Paul where she assists the homeless, the poor, those on the WEP program, and those with mental handicaps. Also, I've worked with LexisNexis in supporting CIS (Congressional Information Systems), I've worked technical support for National City Mortgage (specialized in supporting Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac). I've worked EMS (when I was just out of the military), and after working EMS I became a Therapeutic Programming Assistant for the MRDD out of Echoing Valley/Echoing Hills residential centers.

I should mention that having been married twice, I have twice the drama and family history to share. In addition, my first wife came from a family that was predominantly Jewish on her dad's side, (Lieberman). Her dad was active in the theater and had many political contacts. My ex-wife's aunt on her mother's side was the President of the League of Women's Voters of Ohio (Terry), which afforded us the opportunity to personally meet and talk to a number of rather high ranking Democratic politicians (I'll not name drop, besides, you'd probably not believe me if I did). Terry's husband was Dean of the Anglican Academy in Columbus, Ohio. David being an Episcopal priest, we had many rather interesting and lively discussions at family events and holidays. But we always kept a great spirit and though we hail from two radically different faith traditions, and though he is far more liberal than myself, we have remained good friends.

My point... I know a lot of people. To me, it's just the way it is. I'm surprised you don't know anyone who is deeply affected by public policies that can affect Medicare, Medicaid, pre-existing condition classifications, insurance caps, etc. But then... maybe that's why you really don't make a connection between policy and the real world.

By all means, please prove me wrong.

I can only tell you the details of what I know. Of course you must know, that from my perspective of knowing Hope personally, you're targeted skepticism and statements only serve to make you sound rather cold hearted. Almost like you're trying to dismiss the importance of the issues at hand. But hey, they aren't your kids. Why should you care? Right?

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Aquila

EB, if you're a minister, you too will know enough people to realize that many around you are being effected by numerous things. For example, do you know anyone on Medicare or receiving Medicaid? You probably know dozens. And odds are, they'll be effected by various policy changes in these areas to varying degrees. Perhaps I just pay closer attention.

No, the difference is you make this issues a bleeding cross for you to hang on. Those who I deal with are looking for things other than being a ward of the state.

Originally Posted by Aquila

In addition, there are aspects of my time in the military I can't discuss, and even some I'm not interested in discussing. I'm sure you can understand that.

Yeah, sure like the guys I have met who told me they were Seals. Then when asked where did they take their BUD/S training they tell me it's top secret.
Aquila, time proves all things my boy, all things. You better think about this road you are traveling down.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

No, the difference is you make this issues a bleeding cross for you to hang on. Those who I deal with are looking for things other than being a ward of the state.

Yeah, sure like the guys I have met who told me they were Seals. Then when asked where did they take their BUD/S training they tell me it's top secret.
Aquila, time proves all things my boy, all things. You better think about this road you are traveling down.

I think I just make you insecure.

I've lived a full life. And yes, I'm certain I've been there and done things that would leave you crying like a .

But, I do see your point. I've heard the same garbage. People lie like Hades all the time regarding their military service. It's kinda like all the phony Apostles and "Evangelists" I've met on the internet.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Working in a hospital (as an aid) she is privy to conversations that I am not. I do remember when Trump first became President and stated that the planned on repealing Obamacare, multitudes of sources discussed the impact of lifetime caps could have on various people who depend upon certain plans should they return. And as more comes to light about the Trumpcare bill, it looks like they are on their way. Her plan is one that could very well be effected by the changes under Trumpcare. This greatly concerns her.

So this lady hears water-cooler gossip and before any healthcare deal is passed or signed into law, she claims that there will be lifetime caps and she will be affected by it.

Incredible.

Originally Posted by Aquila

The GOP plans on ramming this down our throats in a 10 hour session without any hearings or amendment processes. They want to force it into becoming law and then backtrack to fix issues. Of course, once something is law and special interests are benefiting from it, you can bet your bottom dollar any modification will be an uphill battle.

Sounds a lot like obamacare! Louisiana Purchase. Cornhusker Kickback. A ton a secrecy and backroom deals to bribe enough members of Congress into voting for it to pass.

Where was your outrage back then?

Originally Posted by Aquila

I know a lot of people. I know at least a half dozen on Medicare Medicaid. I know dozens of working Americans who have health issues they have requested prayer for. My lady-love, Christina works for Saint Vincent De Paul where she assists the homeless, the poor, those on the WEP program, and those with mental handicaps. Also, I've worked with LexisNexis in supporting CIS (Congressional Information Systems), I've worked technical support for National City Mortgage (specialized in supporting Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac). I've worked EMS (when I was just out of the military), and after working EMS I became a Therapeutic Programming Assistant for the MRDD out of Echoing Valley/Echoing Hills residential centers.

I should mention that having been married twice, I have twice the drama and family history to share. In addition, my first wife came from a family that was predominantly Jewish on her dad's side, (Lieberman). Her dad was active in the theater and had many political contacts. My ex-wife's aunt on her mother's side was the President of the League of Women's Voters of Ohio (Terry), which afforded us the opportunity to personally meet and talk to a number of rather high ranking Democratic politicians (I'll not name drop, besides, you'd probably not believe me if I did). Terry's husband was Dean of the Anglican Academy in Columbus, Ohio. David being an Episcopal priest, we had many rather interesting and lively discussions at family events and holidays. But we always kept a great spirit and though we hail from two radically different faith traditions, and though he is far more liberal than myself, we have remained good friends.

My point... I know a lot of people. To me, it's just the way it is. I'm surprised you don't know anyone who is deeply affected by public policies that can affect Medicare, Medicaid, pre-existing condition classifications, insurance caps, etc. But then... maybe that's why you really don't make a connection between policy and the real world.

Once again ... bigger ... and in COLOR this time: The House Bill Covers Pre-X. I've posted this more than once: the House version of the AHCA includes an amendment which covers pre-x conditions. Now, that could change by the time the bill is signed into law, but at this moment it is dishonest to claim that pre-x is not being covered under the AHCA.

I know many people affected by the "donut hole." That's not Trump's fault.

As stated in a previous post as well, there are no cuts to Medicare. That is simply false.

As far as insurance caps and other coverage, your friend hasn't a clue, despite the gossip she hears, what is being covered or not covered or capped, etc. The Senate version hasn't been passed, and before getting to Trump, both the Senate and House will have to debate and argue over what the final bill will look like.

Originally Posted by Aquila

I can only tell you the details of what I know. Of course you must know, that from my perspective of knowing Hope personally, you're targeted skepticism and statements only serve to make you sound rather cold hearted.

Not sorry about the skepticism. Not cold hearted, just tired of liberals making up stories.

Originally Posted by Aquila

Almost like you're trying to dismiss the importance of the issues at hand.

Nope, I just want liberals to be honest. The healthcare bill is not complete, as such, no one knows what their coverage will be when it's passed.

Originally Posted by Aquila

But hey, they aren't your kids. Why should you care? Right?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by n david

So this lady hears water-cooler gossip and before any healthcare deal is passed or signed into law, she claims that there will be lifetime caps and she will be affected by it.

Incredible.

I said that she was afraid of what she was hearing. A lot of people are.

Sounds a lot like obamacare! Louisiana Purchase. Cornhusker Kickback. A ton a secrecy and backroom deals to bribe enough members of Congress into voting for it to pass.

Where was your outrage back then?

Obamacare had 106 hearings. Trumpcare? The GOP is too cowardly to allow anything like that.

Once again ... bigger ... and in COLOR this time: The House Bill Covers Pre-X. I've posted this more than once: the House version of the AHCA includes an amendment which covers pre-x conditions.

So, you're saying that if someone loses their job and doesn't find work for 6 months, their conditions aren't going to be listed as pre-existing, leading to higher premiums or denial of coverage? Please answer this one. I'm curious as to what you think.

I know many people affected by the "donut hole." That's not Trump's fault.

It isn't his fault that it exists. We agree on that. However, it is his fault if his administration fails to fix it... or if they make matters worse.

As far as insurance caps and other coverage, your friend hasn't a clue, despite the gossip she hears, what is being covered or not covered or capped, etc. The Senate version hasn't been passed, and before getting to Trump, both the Senate and House will have to debate and argue over what the final bill will look like.

It's a concern of hers. She's family, Michael and my kids are close (I've included a picture of them from back in 1st grade in this post). My son and Michael are almost like brothers. So, it's a concern of mine too. It's worrying a lot of people. All I know is that you guys will own this one.

http://www.salon.com/2017/05/04/sen-...der-trumpcare/

Not sorry about the skepticism. Not cold hearted, just tired of liberals making up stories.

Oh, I'm not going to beat up on you over this. I can relate. I've heard some zingers myself in my time on the internet. I don't fault you for being a bit skeptical. You're cool.

Nope, I just want liberals to be honest. The healthcare bill is not complete, as such, no one knows what their coverage will be when it's passed.

Until we have Single Payer, most aren't going to know what their coverage will be even after bills like these get passed.