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[Bowas]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

So, what about all the non-Preterists who became Atheists and Agnostic?

In Bertrand Russell's book "Why I'm not a Christian" he brings up the issues of Matthew 24 to say that Christianity wasn't true because he believed Christ claimed He would return in the generation of His apostles, and didn't. Therefore Bertrand Russell uses that as an indictment against Christianity, and one of many reasons he became an Non-Christian.

I would guess, far more futurists became atheist than preterists became atheists, especially after all the many that predict His coming and fail every time, and will continue to fail as their premise is based on a faulty foundation.
And yes, there are multiple accounts of non-believers that point to Matt 24 and use it to "prove" Jesus was wrong, because He didn't come in that generation, as per futurists interpretation. Once shown the preterist postion, their non-believers argument dissolves.

[Sean]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Good luck with that.

Some believe it is real and can happen, others dont!

[Bowas]

Originally Posted by Aquila

The Bible describes some of the lands the Beast will lead in coalition (Dan 11:42, Ezek 38):

o Egypt, which he will attack and subdue (Dan 11:42).
o Meschek and Tubal (most likely parts of Turkey, parts of Southern Russia, parts of Iran),
o Magog (a region convering parts of either Syria and/or former Soviet Republics of Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Tajikistan, Azerbaijan, Afghanistan, Chechnya, Turkey, Iran, Dagestan),
o Persia (Modern Iran)
o Cush (African Cush covers parts of Egypt, Sudan, Ethiopia. Asian Cush covers Arabia through Euphrates),
o Put (Libya),
o Gomer (Cappadocia, Turkey),
o Togarmah (southeastern part of Turkey near Syria)
o Babylon (Modern Iraq. The Euphrates River in Iraq is also mentioned together with the two Beasts in Rev 16:12-13),

Basically, this is the region spanning N. Africa, Arabia, Syria, Turkey, Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan and Central Asian Islamic Republics (the various -stans). All are MUSLIM dominated nations. The Bible says that these nations will then come together and attack the land of Israel.

Now, how did Titus or Nero literally fulfill this???

The Roman empire as per this link.
http://www.roman-empire.net/maps/emp...y-nations.html

[Bowas]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

I think its a terrifying thought to think that we are living in the Millennium reign now and Satan is bound.

A world filled with rampant homosexuality and widespread immorality of every kind, the worst of atrocities and injustices, mass killings, beheadings, crucifictions, terrorism on a worldwide scale as never seen before, the Holocaust, wickedness if every kind reigns.

This is not the Kingdom. The Kingdom is within His people but will certainly come in its fullness in the future.

Preterism, especially full preterism, is a fantasy to the western mind who enjoys all the comforts of western, especially American culture. To be FP is too bury ones head in the sand. The rise of Islam? The regathering of the Jews? The entire world at war? All of no significance in the grand scheme of things. Move along, nothing to see here. Just enjoy the Kingdom and be glad you didn't have to live BEFORE Satan was bound.

I'd rather be a JW than a preterist. Of all the hopeless eschatological views, nothing compares to FP.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. (the Kingdom)
Rev 22:15 For without are dogs Homosexuals), and sorcerers (drug abusers) , and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

[Bowas]

Originally Posted by Esaias

What system of interpretation requires warning people not to apostasize because of belief in that system? Unless thst system has a common effect if doing just that - causing people to abandon faith altogether:

http://planetpreterist.com/content/p...emptation-give


I love this quote from one of the comments on that article:

"That the Church missed the significance of AD 70 is irrelevant--it doesn't change the Church or its covenantal kingdom one iota."

Isn't it AMAZING that God's people didn't know when Jesus came? That the church MISSED it?

Only preterists seem unable to see the utter preposterousness of that type of thinking.

Actually, the church did not miss the significance of AD 70. In fact, the church, at that time, knew of Jesus' prophecy concerning when they saw Jerusalem surrounded by armies, that were to flee. In doing so, according to history, not one Christain died during that as they believed and obeyed what Jesus had told them some 40 years earlier, as found in Matt 24. I find that powerful!

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Bowas

I would guess, far more futurists became atheist than preterists became atheists, especially after all the many that predict His coming and fail every time, and will continue to fail as their premise is based on a faulty foundation.
And yes, there are multiple accounts of non-believers that point to Matt 24 and use it to "prove" Jesus was wrong, because He didn't come in that generation, as per futurists interpretation. Once shown the preterist postion, their non-believers argument dissolves.

[Jason B]

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

The equivalent of me posting rabid snake handlers as representative of ALL oneness Pentecostals.

[good samaritan]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

The equivalent of me posting rabid snake handlers as representative of ALL oneness Pentecostals.

[Evang.Benincasa]

Originally Posted by Jason Badejo

The equivalent of me posting rabid snake handlers as representative of ALL oneness Pentecostals.

I agree, but if you get bit you die, if you believe in false date calculations but get reconcile after they have come and gone, you might just throw in the towel. Like some of these individuals have done. One picture is of a man who blew his entire life savings on the May 21st Family Radio failure. Many others did the same thing and they probably wish they had been bitten by a snake. It would of been less painful.

[Bowas]

The entire notion that preterism somehow leads one to becoming an atheist is ridiculous.
Preterism to me, has in fact strengthened my belief in His word as I can now better see how He set things up and how they came to pass.
One quick example is the prophecies Jesus gave his disciples in Matt 24 where He told them the temple would be destroyed in that generation. Of course they knew what He meant and asked Him what would be the sign of His coming to destroy that temple.
We can now look at that prophecy in @30 AD and some 40 years later, we today can attest to the fact that it was in fact destroyed within that generation back then, as He said it would. In fact it goes even further. The Christians that was in Jerusalem during the siege, in AD 70, knew of Jesus' warnings of His coming to destroy that temple and the sign for them to leave town was when they saw Jerusalem surrounded by the Roman army, so they heeded Jesus' words and they fled, like He told them to do and they were saved! We can point to that and have a clear showing where He said it, where they obey Him and they were saved from the carnage, EXACTLY like He said it would occur and history supports it as well.
Everything He told them came to pass as He told them.

It can be proven when it occurred vs. trying to guess and guess and guess again when it might occur.

That is a very powerful witness!!

Preterism does not lead to atheism anymore than Oneness leads to trinitarianism as I know many that have left Oneness and became trinitarians.