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01-18-2015, 02:10 PM
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Re: Obey them that have the rule over you
He was my pastor when I was in college from 82-86.
On a totally unrelated note, the Packers are doing really well. 
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01-18-2015, 02:11 PM
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Re: Obey them that have the rule over you
On the subject of "Obeying them that have the rule over you", as long as I remain Spiritual, I have no problem submitting to a Spiritual leader.
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01-18-2015, 02:27 PM
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Re: Obey them that have the rule over you
I wonder...if there are different leadership styles being discussed. Some pastors are prone to make decisions and standards that are beyond the borders of Scripture.
Other pastors let members make their own choices and focus on the gospel.
Apples and oranges.
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01-18-2015, 02:56 PM
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Re: Obey them that have the rule over you
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Originally Posted by Abiding Now
On the subject of "Obeying them that have the rule over you", as long as I remain Spiritual, I have no problem submitting to a Spiritual leader.
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I have encountered a disturbing number of pastors who really did not surround themselves with spiritual people, but yes men.
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01-18-2015, 03:40 PM
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Re: Obey them that have the rule over you
Board members must feel free to speak their minds at a board meeting. "Yes" men are of no value to a church.
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01-18-2015, 04:42 PM
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Re: Obey them that have the rule over you
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Board members must feel free to speak their minds at a board meeting. "Yes" men are of no value to a church.
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I take it that you are referring to the "local" board.
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01-18-2015, 04:48 PM
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Re: Obey them that have the rule over you
The most famous, well-known verse in the entire Bible, perhaps even more than John 3:16, is Psalm 23:1,
The LORD is my shepherd...
So how about this:
We obey and submit to Jesus Christ because He has the rule over us. And if we are faithful to Him, when it comes to it, He will confess us (i.e. give an account) before His Father with joy and not sorrow, and it will be profitable for us, eternally so.
People are so caught up obeying a man whom they have seen that they have no idea on how to obey a man they have not seen.
Jesus doesn't allow for usurpers, folks. I will NEVER allow another man to be my wife's head. So do you suppose Jesus will ever allow someone to be my head?
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01-18-2015, 05:19 PM
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Re: Obey them that have the rule over you
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Originally Posted by votivesoul
The most famous, well-known verse in the entire Bible, perhaps even more than John 3:16, is Psalm 23:1,
The LORD is my shepherd...
So how about this:
We obey and submit to Jesus Christ because He has the rule over us. And if we are faithful to Him, when it comes to it, He will confess us (i.e. give an account) before His Father with joy and not sorrow, and it will be profitable for us, eternally so.
People are so caught up obeying a man whom they have seen that they have no idea on how to obey a man they have not seen.
Jesus doesn't allow for usurpers, folks. I will NEVER allow another man to be my wife's head. So do you suppose Jesus will ever allow someone to be my head? |
Amen! And what a wonderful High Priest and Shepherd of our Souls we have!
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01-20-2015, 08:33 AM
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Re: Obey them that have the rule over you
To me, a "pastor" is an elder who serves as a spiritual guide and mentor. He is no dictator. He doesn't demand conformity to his will. He counsels, advises, and allows you to seek God and make choices, helping you to learn how to discern the voice of God for yourself. He is secure and doesn't hold your mistakes against you, but rather is always there to lift you up should you make the wrong decision. He acts as a loving spiritual "father" in the Gospel.
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01-20-2015, 09:20 AM
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Re: Obey them that have the rule over you
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Originally Posted by Aquila
To me, a "pastor" is an elder who serves as a spiritual guide and mentor. He is no dictator. He doesn't demand conformity to his will. He counsels, advises, and allows you to seek God and make choices, helping you to learn how to discern the voice of God for yourself. He is secure and doesn't hold your mistakes against you, but rather is always there to lift you up should you make the wrong decision. He acts as a loving spiritual "father" in the Gospel.
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That's about as close as one can get!
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