Women Preachers - Page 11

Sasha · #**101** 10-04-2013, 07:25 PM

Seems there are men who think they are in authority over all women...LOL!

Just because you are a man doesn't make you pastor material. We are ALL admonished to 'go out into all the world and PREACH the gospel'. That command wasn't just for men. That command wasn't just for the disciples. That command wasn't just for people living in the time of Jesus.

Some of you need to find out what the definition of 'preach' even is.

Sister Alvear · #**102** 10-04-2013, 07:29 PM

24 And a certain Jew named Apollos, born at Alexandria, an eloquent man, and mighty in the scriptures, came to Ephesus.

25 This man was instructed in the way of the Lord; and being fervent in the spirit, he spake and taught diligently the things of the Lord, knowing only the baptism of John.

26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly.
The verb “explain” is plural in the Greek[8] indicating that both Priscilla and Aquila were involved...

Esaias · #**103** 10-05-2013, 09:24 AM

Well, it seems the basic response to Paul's statement that it is the commandment of the Lord for the women to keep silence in the churches and are not permitted to speak is to either laugh it off, or to redirect the discussion into a side topic, or to claim the end justifies the means.

Of the three prevalent approaches, only the last deserves a response.

Does the end justify the means? The idea that we may violate the express, explicit command of the Lord, by violating both the letter and the spirit of the command, because we 'see results' when we do so, is a strange approach to doctrine, faith, and practice.

We may as well ignore the commands to baptise in the name of the Lord because those who preach 'abc repeat after me salvation' have such amazing 'results'. Or perhaps we can ignore the scriptural teaching on head covering because people who likewise ignore that teaching have such great 'results'. How many 'bobbed haired women' are willing to testify to how wonderfully God has used them?

I find it fascinating how people pick and choose what commands they will obey and follow. Apostolic means 'of or relating to the apostles and their teachings.' That includes their teachings on the proper roles and functions within the church, of both men and women.

It is true that people will do whatever their heart desires to do. Every single one of us does what we feel is right. Even if we allow someone else to make decisions for us, we gave them that power by choosing to submit to their decisions. This is human nature, it is the very nature of having a will and a mind and a heart. The Lord wants us to lay down our life, and follow him and his teaching, to voluntarily choose to submit to His headship and authority over all we do.

Even if, nay especially if it goes against 'the grain' of worldly wisdom and personal preferences.

We will stand before the Lord, and give an account of ourselves. We may parade all the 'successes' we have had, all the 'great things we have done in His name'... yet we will be judged not by our efforts but by our adherance to the Word. Jesus said 'the word which I speak shall judge' each of us in the end. Did we do the word? Or did we just hear it, and then explain it away?

The word says women are to keep silent in the churches.

But man explains it away, and says 'it doesn't mean to keep silent in the churches'.

The word says women are not permitted to teach men.

But man explains it away and says 'oh yes, women may teach men.'

One day, the Lord shall explain to us the true meaning of, and the reason behind, all of our excuses for not simply 'trusting and obeying'. It won't be pretty.

Luke · #**104** 10-05-2013, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Sasha

You need to read about Deborah. She had to remind Barack what God had said and Barack wouldn't do it unless she went with him. Makes ya wonder why he didn't ask one of the palace dudes to assist him instead, huh?

Men AND women came to Deborah for judgement. Where did her authority come from? Who appointed her to that position?

Barack was niether a king nor a priest which was what my post was in response to.

Sheila · #**105** 10-05-2013, 09:38 AM

If you cannot learn anything from over half the population then you really shouldn't corrupt a thread. If you know in advance that a woman wrote it and you can't learn anything by it--leave it alone.
God so trusted woman that He placed EVERY man into her arms to raise up and become what they are. He did not trust man to do this--He trusted woman. He trusted her to be His greatest Apostle in teaching the ways of love.
He took woman from the side of man/rib to walk beside him, not from his head to be above him, not from his feet to be walked on, but from under his arm to be protected and close to his heart to be loved.
Every man is allowed to come against the teachings of God--even apostles.
I follow God, not man----NO RESPECT OF PERSONS

Yeshua Bless You

Sister Alvear · #**106** 10-05-2013, 09:41 AM

Never would I laugh off anything in the Bible. I said I do not believe Paul said for women to keep silence in the church as a law of God I believe he quoted from a letter written to him as he did on other occasions and refuted it.

Sister Alvear · #**107** 10-05-2013, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Luke

I have read some very strong arguments that state that paul was married at one time.

What do you think happened to his wife?

Sister Alvear · #**108** 10-05-2013, 09:45 AM

When Paul describes the ministry of Euodia and Syntyche, Paul uses..a couple of the same terms he had previously applied to Timothy and..Epaphroditus... Paul writes that Euodia and Syntyche..had contended together with him (literally)..“in the Gospel”.....Earlier in the same letter, Paul had also described Timothy as someone who had served with him “in the Gospel” (Php 2:22).....Paul goes on to refer to Euodia and Syntyche as his “co-workers”... Earlier, Paul had also referred to Epaphroditus as his “co-worker” (Php 2:25)...Thus, according to Paul, the ministries of these women were comparable to the ministries of the men, Timothy and Epaphroditus.

Sister Alvear · #**109** 10-05-2013, 09:50 AM

Early church bishop and theologian, John Chrysostom (c349-407),..believed..that Euodia and Syntyche were the leaders of the Philippian church. ..Moreover, he compared them to Phoebe, a woman minister (diakonos)..in Cenchrea (Rom 16:1-2)... In his 13th Homily on Philippians he wrote:
These..women [Euodia and Syntyche] seem to me to be the chief of the..Church which was there, and..[Paul] commends them to some notable man whom he calls his..yokefellow;..[Paul] commends them to him, as to a fellow-worker, and fellow-soldier, and brother, and companion, as he does in the..Epistle..to the..Romans, when he says, I commend to you Phoebe our sister, who is a minister of the church at Cenchrea..(Romans 16:1)...

Sister Alvear · #**110** 10-05-2013, 09:51 AM

Paul’s letter..to the Philippians..differs to his other letters because Paul specifically includes the overseers (episkopoi) ..and ministers (diakonoi)..in his opening greeting. ..Instead of the traditional English translation of “overseers and deacons”,....FF Bruce..(1981) translates this phrase in Philippians 1:1 as “chief pastors and ministers”..which more faithfully conveys the meaning of these roles in New Testament times... It does seem that Euodia and Syntyche (and possibly Clement who is mentioned with them), were the overseers or chief pastors..of the Philippian church... At the very least Euodia and Syntyche were ministers (diakonoi).