Thoughts?: Islam vs. Christianity

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by shazeep

ha yup; "Thank you, God, that i am like the rest of men."
Neither would it be fair to pull something from Scripture out of context to judge you upon.

I didn't put anything out of context, that is just your ignorant opinion which was like I said you aren't any different than anyone else. You're an antagonist.

[shazeep]

Well, thankfully, God judges one's heart, and not so much one's dogma, i guess.
Have a nice evening, Mr. Eastman, Dordrecht, you too.

[Dordrecht]

...you seem to have an inbred, hateful dogma...

…same old classic response, as usual.

This comes to mind: "Get behind me, satan".

( I guess according to you another hateful bible quote?)

I shall leave this place and might check again, as usual, in a couple of weeks.

:-)

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by shazeep

Well, thankfully, God judges one's heart, and not so much one's dogma, i guess.
Have a nice evening, Mr. Eastman, Dordrecht, you too.

Doesn't mean anything, but okay I'll let you have the last word even though you said you'd quit posting. lol

[shazeep]

ha, and to me it means the world, Mr Eastman. You condemn just shy of 2,000,000,000 people to hell based upon it. and there is no theoretic bottom to this thread either...but it would be nice, sigh, i guess, if you guys spent more time discussing where you might actually come to some agreements with some Muslims, rather than this pornographic slurring of another's dogma which, after all, is universally acknowledged by all of the respective masters of those dogmas to fall short of the actual Spirit, which must be put into practice.

Muslims are not your enemies, Mr Eastman, although you may motivate them to be so. It would kill you to maybe turn off Fox News for a night, and go to whatever passes for high prayer among some local Muslims, in the spirit of "Oneness?" yes or no? make some fruit of this

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by shazeep

ha, and to me it means the world, Mr Eastman. You condemn just shy of 2,000,000,000 people to hell based upon it. and there is no theoretic bottom to this thread either...but it would be nice, sigh, i guess, if you guys spent more time discussing where you might actually come to some agreements with some Muslims, rather than this pornographic slurring of another's dogma which, after all, is universally acknowledged by all of the respective masters of those dogmas to fall short of the actual Spirit, which must be put into practice.

Muslims are not your enemies, Mr Eastman, although you may motivate them to be so. It would kill you to maybe turn off Fox News for a night, and go to whatever passes for high prayer among some local Muslims, in the spirit of "Oneness?" yes or no? make some fruit of this

No Muslims are not my enemies; however the Qur'an disallows them (Muslims) to befriend Christians and Jews (see the post where I quoted the Qur'an) and that includes me. Do you also argue with what the Muslims think about me???? If we do not have the Spirit of Christ we are none of His, read Romans 8:9. How many Muslims do you know have the Spirit of Christ????? They are NOT Christians and believe that Christians are infidels (again, see the post I quoted from the Qur'an). They do not have the Spirit of Christ because they are violent against anyone who does not believe what they do. Someone here pointed out that the Anti-Christ will be a Muslim, although I don't necessarily agree with that, I can neither discount it either. The Bible judges them, I just go by what the Bible says. Muslims are going to hell unless they turn to Christ. You don't have to like it, but I do not apologize for what scripture plainly says about unbelievers (Muslims).

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

Here are quotes from the beloved Qur'an.



Now, let us have a closer look at what the Koran says about the infidels:-

Slay the unbelievers wherever you find them(2:191)
Make war on the infidels living in your neighboorhood (9:123)
When opportunity arises, kill the infidels wherever you catch them (9:5)
Kill the Jews and the Christians if they do not convert to Islam or refuse to pay Jizya tax (9:29)
Any religion other than Islam is not acceptable (3:85)
The Jews and the Christians are perverts; fight them (9:30)
Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticise Islam. (5:33)
The infidels are unclean; do not let them into a mosque (9:28)
Punish the unbelievers with garments of fire, hooked iron rods, boiling water; melt their skin and bellies
(22:19)
Do not hanker for peace with the infidels; behead them when you catch them (47:4)
The unbelievers are stupid; urge the Muslims to fight them (8:65)
Muslims must not take the infidels as friends (3:28)
Terrorise and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an (8:12)
Muslims must muster all weapons to terrorise the infidels (8:60)

The Qur’an certainly proclaims that when the time is appropriate, Muslims must use force to convert the unbelievers to Islam. For the non-Muslims, the alternative to this is to pay the humiliating protection money (Jizya tax) or be killed (by beheading, of course). A militarily dominant Islam, without doubt, precludes the peaceful co-existence with the unbelievers if the Muslims have to abide strictly by the unalterable stipulations of the Qur’an.

So much for your admonishing me. I know a little of what Muslims teach and that little is enough for me to say without a doubt that Muslims are heading towards hell. Mind you, I love Muslims; however, there really isn't any hope for them unless they are baptized in Jesus name (or do I also have to give MORE scripture for that?). You are diluted from the truth my friend.

Bump for shazeep!!!!!!!

[shazeep]

Rom 14:10 But why do you judge your brother? Or also why do you despise your brother? For all shall stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by shazeep

Rom 14:10 But why do you judge your brother? Or also why do you despise your brother? For all shall stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

Muslims aren't my brothers, Romans was written to Christians. You obviously aren't reading my posts.

[shazeep]

Of course not, wadr. When you posted "Muslims are going to hell" you revealed your premises, and thus who your father is. Sorry for this, but Mr Eastman, we all become aware at some point that Scripture may be used to "prove" anything; and i have seen that it is what people desire to authenticate that reveals them, and their hearts. Want some Scripture for that?

But we are on a forum, and argue concepts. I'm sure that you are considered loving by many friends and family (um, but don't even the heathen do this?), and i don't wish to judge you, or be put in the position of judging you.

You seem convinced that satan is not your enemy, Muslims are (and that you are qualified to judge...them, and by extension, me); and i likewise am fairly convinced that any Muslim who follows the Qur'an--regardless of the cultural divide we face in reading It, since after all we do not defend our faith with the verses in Psalms that suggest we bash babies heads in, etc--is my brother.

So it seems best if perhaps we retire to other subjects, as i would prefer, if at all possible, to seek where we agree. Peace to you.