Why did not God offer some kind of Salvation to Fallen angels?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

So, you are cheating? I shoulda known.

Oh, no, I do not use it. But I am saying it is neat for those who are slow at typing.

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Oh, no, I do not use it. But I am saying it is neat for those who are slow at typing.

So, how much does this "DRAGON NATURALLY SPEAKING" cost, and where could I get one?

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

So, how much does this "DRAGON NATURALLY SPEAKING" cost, and where could I get one?

Best Buy or any office supplies place would have it. It takes time to "train" it by speaking words it tells you to read. But it is great, since no typing mistakes occur!

[Rico]

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

So, how much does this "DRAGON NATURALLY SPEAKING" cost, and where could I get one?

http://www.nuance.com/talk/

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by PaPaDon

Yes, I agree, that is, IF (OH, why does that little word have to keep popping up in my posts about the things being asserted here as IF they were sound, biblical based truths), you are referring ONLY to sinful mankind, for it is written that "God is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, NOT willing that ANY should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance" (see II Peter 3:9). Does this imply that NONE will perish? Of course not, else Christ Jesus died in vain, for man could go about his sinful life, doing whatever he pleases, but would eventually be saved! NONSENSE!!!

This is a common objection to the redemption of ALL creation, which is amazing that it requires the blood of Jesus for a "few", yet His blood is not needed for ALL to eventually to be saved. If a ship sinks in the ocean and you know all on board will be saved, does that mean no one moves to save them??

1 Timothy 4:10 (Young's Literal Translation)
Young's Literal Translation (YLT)

10for for this we both labour and are reproached, because we hope on the living God, who is Saviour of all men -- especially of those believing.

It is written in Luke 13:22-24, that as Jesus paused to teach the people in the small cities and villages which lie in His pathway as He travelled toward Jerusalem, someone asked Him this important question - "Lord, are there FEW that be saved?" Please note His response - "Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for MANY, I say unto you, shall SEEK to enter in, and shall NOT be able." Now that certainly does NOT sound to me like UNIVERSAL salvation!

This does not in anyway indicate that those, which did not enter into the strait gate, are condemned to "endless" torture. Which by the way, does not sound like "just recompense of reward." Jesus had a habit of not answer questions that were asked of Him.

While it is true that God desires that NO one perish, from everything I read in the Bible such will NOT be the case. In fact, MANY will perish, while only a FEW will realize this cherished goal (see Matthew 7:13-14).

Doesn't say He "desires" that none perish, says He "wills" that none perish, tell me God's will is just dreamy thought, a passing daydream?

Young's Literal Translation (YLT) has an even more distinct meaning:

II Peter 3:9...the Lord is not slow in regard to the promise, as certain count slowness, but is long-suffering to us, not counselling any to be lost but all to pass on to reformation...

Where, I implore thee to answer, is it found written within the biblical context that the angelic beings which God has created, resided in an "age" which differs from the one in which we presently reside? Please expound upon your statement in this regards.

I said their origins were not in this age. Can you prove that they even exist in this age?

[mfblume]

Hey CrakJak and PDon, let's start a new thread topic about universal salvation. I know a guy who is into it somewhat, and I have been wanting to tackle it for a while.

http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/sho...76&postcount=1

[crakjak]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Hey CrakJak and PDon, let's start a new thread topic about universal salvation. I know a guy who is into it somewhat, and I have been wanting to tackle it for a while.

http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/sho...76&postcount=1

Let's!

Originally Posted by mfblume

Ever hear of DRAGON NATURALLY SPEAKING? Bad name for a program, but it is great! You talk in the mic and it types out your words!

I got it but don't use it. I do have a super fast computer though and cable internet modem (super fast also). That helps greatly.

Originally Posted by mfblume

Hey CrakJak and PDon, let's start a new thread topic about universal salvation. I know a guy who is into it somewhat, and I have been wanting to tackle it for a while.

http://apostolicfriendsforum.com/sho...76&postcount=1

No thanks, but appreciate the offer. I do not adhere to such a belief and no amount of discussion/debate will ever altar that view. Remember this when considering the manner that I interpret the sacred Writ - for 48 years I was a "twofold child of hell," but when God set me on this strait and narrow way He convinced me that NOTHING but His Word matters. Absolutely nothing! Men of old gave their lives in its defense, and I am admonished to "contend" for it as well, and if necessary, also give of my life in its defense. The Word of God is the MOST important thing in my life, for it is the written expression of the One whom I love above all others! God honored my faith in Him more than 20 years ago, and now that I am an old man and will soon go to be with Him forever, I cherish it even more with each passing day.

I am also mindful of the importance which God places upon it as well, for the words of Psalm 138:2 states that He has "magnified thy word above all thy name." For this reason I revere it more than my own life. Indeed, my favorite passage is Jeremiah 15:16 - "Thy words were found, and I did eat them; and thy word was unto me the joy and rejoicing of mine heart: for I am called by thy name, O LORD God of hosts." I ask you, have you ever "trembled" uncontrollably when reading the Bible? I have and it so frightened me that I threw it down and literally ran from the room. After gaining the courage to return and pick it up, I read this passage, and knew at once that God had not meant to frighten me, rather to give me a tremendous blessing: "...to this man will I look, even to him that is poor and of a contrite spirit, and TREMBLETH at my word." With the exception of the ever-abiding Spirit of Truth, the Bible is my most prized possession. The one I use most certainly shows this too, for its backing now consists of cardboard wrapped in black duct tape. It contains so many "footnotes" that I would not take a million bucks for it.

It has been an interesting event exchanging points of view with you, but I am persuaded that nothing I might add further will serve to altar your views, and I assure you that nothing you might ever say will persuade me to change mine. My prayer if that you might some day pause and reflect upon what it truly means to become as a little child, without which no man shall see the kingdom of heaven. I learned, by way of some extremely painful experiences, that this admonition of our Lord simply means that we are to set aside, at least temporarily, all of our preconceived ideas, assumptions, and opinions regarding the sacred principles of God's written Word, so that we might be free to OBJECTIVELY consider their spiritual significance. It is my hope that you will someday do just that.

Have a "Good" evening!

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by PaPaDon

It has been an interesting event exchanging points of view with you, but I am persuaded that nothing I might add further will serve to altar your views, and I assure you that nothing you might ever say will persuade me to change mine. My prayer if that you might some day pause and reflect upon what it truly means to become as a little child, without which no man shall see the kingdom of heaven.

To be closed minded about hearing another's differing view is simply wrong because we must ask ourselves what good would that make your views to someone else in return, if they held that opinion? We need each other. Someone in the body has something I do not know and I have something for the others as well. No man is an island. God works in a BODY in this earth and does not give all revelation to any one man so that he needs no help from anyone else.

When we think we cannot be wrong about something, then we know not as we ought to know.

Thanks for your thoughts as well.