Gun Control

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Here is something I'm pondering...

The assult weapons ban is reasonable. However, there should be a special permit for individuals who qualify and demonstrate a need for an assult rife. Closing the gun show loophole might also be a reasonable change. Beyond that, I'd focus on school security & screening, and lifting bans that prohibit "staff" with concealed carry permits to carry on school property, businesses, and in churches. This way, not only is there some restraint on firearms implimented, but there is also an expansion of gun rights and the ability to protect one's self and the community.

Freedoms come with limits. For example, I have free speech... but I can't yell "Fire!" in a crowded building. I have the right to own a weapon... but not a nuclear warhead.

I believe I have said this on another thread but I don't remember. Randy was right "assault weapons" have never been legal to own. The AR-15 is not an "assault weapon" Your post keep repeating the terms "automatic assault weapons", "semi-automatic assault weapons", and "assault weapons" in general.

Let me clear up some definitions here so we can have a productive conversation going forward.

The liberal left has instituted the term "assault weapon" to label any weapon that resembles in appearance that of a military issue weapon. In this case the AR-15.

The true definition of an "assault weapon" is a weapon capable of "killing en mass". Weapons that are classified as "assault weapons" are fully automatic. This meaning that when one pulls and holds the trigger, the weapon will fire continuously until the trigger is released or the ammunition is depleted. Machine guns are a good example; however, M-16's and M-14's(which is what the AR-15 was designed after) also have the capability to fire in fully automatic mode.

A semi-automatic weapon will fire one round when the trigger is pulled, then the user must release the trigger and pull it again to fire another round. These are not considered "assault weapons".

Now, "assault weapons" as defined above are illegal. It is against the law to own an "assault weapon" in the United States without special pemits. These permits are not easy to come by, most dealers and even collectors can not obtain one and most who do still are required to have the "fully automatic" feature disabled.

So, what are we really dealing with here. Well lets use the weapon used by the Newtown shooter as an example. In this case it was the AR-15. The AR-15 is a clip fed, semi-automatic weapon that shoots a .223 calibur round. It "looks" like a military style M-14. Now, you can go into any Wal-Mart and purchase a Browning, Remington, Winchester, etc. deer rifle that is clip fed, semi-automatic weapon that also shoots a .223 round. Essentially there is no difference in the two types of weapons. Yet these are not called "assault weapons".

So what has happened is the liberal left has labeled weapons such as the AR-15 as "assault weapons" when essentially they are not, and in reality they are no different from any deer rifle. So to ban a weapon because of the way it "looks" is kind of ignorant wouldn't you say?

Now there is the attack on high capacity clips. This is enables a shooter to load a clip with up to 30 rounds at one time instead of the standard 8 -10 rounds. Any responsible gun owner will not have a problem with banning high capacity clips as they are essentially useless. A prime example is the Aurua theater shooting. He had a high capacity clip but half way through it the weapon jammed and he was forced to retreat to the parking lot where he was captured. Most weapons can not handle having that many rounds fired through it without a pause for internal components to cool down. Making these clips essentially useless.

Hopefully all will see that this attack on gun ownership is being driven by those who wish to label a weapon as an "assault weapon" based on nothing more than ignorance and what it looks like.

[RandyWayne]

Now there is the attack on high capacity clips. This is enables a shooter to load a clip with up to 30 rounds at one time instead of the standard 8 -10 rounds. Any responsible gun owner will not have a problem with banning high capacity clips as they are essentially useless. A prime example is the Aurua theater shooting. He had a high capacity clip but half way through it the weapon jammed and he was forced to retreat to the parking lot where he was captured. Most weapons can not handle having that many rounds fired through it without a pause for internal components to cool down. Making these clips essentially useless.

I disagree with you on the issue of mag capacity. I have never had a misfeed or "jam" on my AR's 30 round mags and have had minimal issues with my Ruger 9mm which takes a standard 15 rd cartridge. I even bought a few 32 round extended mags for it and have not had any problems with them. Where people HAVE had jamming issues is with the VERY large capacity mags and drums like the 40+ rd triple stacked ones. The springs in those are just compressed way too much and expected to cover too wide of a range. Now if they did make a reliable 40 round magazine you better believe I would buy several.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I disagree with you on the issue of mag capacity. I have never had a misfeed or "jam" on my AR's 30 round mags and have had minimal issues with my Ruger 9mm which takes a standard 15 rd cartridge. I even bought a few 32 round extended mags for it and have not had any problems with them. Where people HAVE had jamming issues is with the VERY large capacity mags and drums like the 40+ rd triple stacked ones. The springs in those are just compressed way too much and expected to cover too wide of a range. Now if they did make a reliable 40 round magazine you better believe I would buy several.

My husband was reading that the bolt action gun will hold up longer than any other type of gun.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

I disagree with you on the issue of mag capacity. I have never had a misfeed or "jam" on my AR's 30 round mags and have had minimal issues with my Ruger 9mm which takes a standard 15 rd cartridge. I even bought a few 32 round extended mags for it and have not had any problems with them. Where people HAVE had jamming issues is with the VERY large capacity mags and drums like the 40+ rd triple stacked ones. The springs in those are just compressed way too much and expected to cover too wide of a range. Now if they did make a reliable 40 round magazine you better believe I would buy several.

But are you taking that and rolling out 30 rounds through it in 30 seconds? Thats what these shooters are doing and its jamming on them. The internal components will heat up and expand causing a jam unless there is at least a couple of seconds pause between every 10 or so.

[scotty]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

My husband was reading that the bolt action gun will hold up longer than any other type of gun.

Yes. Solid, manual action. No springs and pins and action components. The bolt action also retains longer range and firepower because all the power is projected to the round going forward. Semi-automatics, some of the power is lost to push the chamber back to load another round.

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

My husband was reading that the bolt action gun will hold up longer than any other type of gun.

The great thing about a bolt action gun is that it will literally last hundreds of years if taken care of properly. It is also the gun you would want if spending a year in the woods since you could literally use a local stream and a stick to clean it, since it has so few moving parts.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

The great thing about a bolt action gun is that it will literally last hundreds of years if taken care of properly. It is also the gun you would want if spending a year in the woods since you could literally use a local stream and a stick to clean it, since it has so few moving parts.

It is a nice gun. A guy was carrying a couple around a recent gun show and my husband picked it up for a great price! He also purchased a 1927 Negant revolver. It's really nice and in great condition.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by scotty

Yes. Solid, manual action. No springs and pins and action components. The bolt action also retains longer range and firepower because all the power is projected to the round going forward. Semi-automatics, some of the power is lost to push the chamber back to load another round.

He is going to a gun show next weekend and is going to pick one up for our son.

[AreYouReady?]

Men like this guy http://news.yahoo.com/confessed-seri...135743006.html

would still have no problem getting a weapon of some sorts to harm the populace.

Guns don't kill people. People kill people.

[Michael The Disciple]

Presidents Kids Have 11 Armed Guards

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Governm...Secret-Service

Thats good for them. I pray periodically for their safety as well as the President and his wife.

Nonetheless they prove that the NRA was correct. Even Obama wants it for his kids.