All Trinitarians are Lost!!!!!!!!!!! - Page 11

TGBTG · #**101** 01-04-2012, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Amanah

It's complicated.

It seems to go back to whether you believe Jesus is the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

But at the same time, what if someone gets baptized in Jesus' name, not knowing that the Jesus is the Name of the Father, Son, HG.

What if they obey Acts 2:38, but still believe in the trinity? why doesn't that invalidate the baptism?

Honestly Amanah, most new believers don't even know there's a debate about FSH baptism or Jesus' name baptism. All a new believer know at the moment of conversion is that he/she is surrendering to the Lordship of Jesus.
The debates begin after they are saved...lol. It's not complicated. We complicate things. A new believer is RIGHTEOUS, JUSTIFIED, IN RIGHT STANDING, before Almighty God because and ONLY because of his/her faith in the PERSON of Jesus Christ.

Salvation is of the LORD (not man). To say that because some man uttered the name "Jesus" over you means you're saved is a huge delusion.
To say that a person is NOT saved because someone uttered the "wrong words" over you is to think that salvation is based on a man words. I just CANNOT believe that. That is huge blindness.

A statement of fact that CANNOT be denied is that Azusa street brethren (which some "apostolics" like to lay claim to) were trinitarians.
Why would God give the Holy Ghost to trinitarians if their sins are not remitted? Why would God indwell people whose sins have not been remitted?

2 Tim 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity

ThePastorsCoach · #**102** 01-04-2012, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Amanah

It's complicated.

It seems to go back to whether you believe Jesus is the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

But at the same time, what if someone gets baptized in Jesus' name, not knowing that the Jesus is the Name of the Father, Son, HG.

What if they obey Acts 2:38, but still believe in the trinity? why doesn't that invalidate the baptism?

Well, I hate to tell you, but they are again....Lost on a technicality! You know all those people on the day of Pentecost and the others that were baptized in the NT church had to listen to a screaming, stomping, ONE GOD OR HELL message and WHY WE DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE DAMNABLE TRINITY message for an hour or more before they were baptized!

I repented and was filled with the Holy Ghost at the age of 5 and baptized F,S, HG a couple times in my youth. It was not until I was 22 that I was baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. I had no idea I was lost all those years! Preaching, Praying, seeing people healed and delivered, miracles of every kind, many repenting in our Miracle Faith Crusades around the world, many filled with the Holy Ghost... but...I did not know about Baptism in the Name of Jesus Christ so - I was as lost as a blind goose!
I was told later that God gave me the Holy Ghost "ON CREDIT" because He knew that I would eventually... "See The TRUTH"! Hallelujah!
If I had died - I would have been lost on a technicality as many are today!

Steve Epley · #**103** 01-04-2012, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by KeptByTheWord

But I know you fellowshipped with them, for that is the group of people you were with when I heard you preach.

Yes I was a member for years. Nothing wrong with them I just don't belong anymore. Go back home.

Steve Epley · #**104** 01-04-2012, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TGBTG

Honestly Amanah, most new believers don't even know there's a debate about FSH baptism or Jesus' name baptism. All a new believer know at the moment of conversion is that he/she is surrendering to the Lordship of Jesus.
The debates begin after they are saved...lol. It's not complicated. We complicate things. A new believer is RIGHTEOUS, JUSTIFIED, IN RIGHT STANDING, before Almighty God because and ONLY because of his/her faith in the PERSON of Jesus Christ.

Salvation is of the LORD (not man). To say that because some man uttered the name "Jesus" over you means you're saved is a huge delusion.
To say that a person is NOT saved because someone uttered the "wrong words" over you is to think that salvation is based on a man words. I just CANNOT believe that. That is huge blindness.

A statement of fact that CANNOT be denied is that Azusa street brethren (which some "apostolics" like to lay claim to) were trinitarians.
Why would God give the Holy Ghost to trinitarians if their sins are not remitted? Why would God indwell people whose sins have not been remitted?

2 Tim 2:19 Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity

Lost as 2 boys kissing.

TGBTG · #**105** 01-04-2012, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by AtlantaBishop

Well, I hate to tell you, but they are again....Lost on a technicality! You know all those people on the day of Pentecost and the others that were baptized in the NT church had to listen to a screaming, stomping, ONE GOD OR HELL message and WHY WE DO NOT BELIEVE IN THE DAMNABLE TRINITY message for an hour or more before they were baptized!

I repented and was filled with the Holy Ghost at the age of 5 and baptized F,S, HG a couple times in my youth. It was not until I was 22 that I was baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. I had no idea I was lost all those years! Preaching, Praying, seeing people healed and delivered, miracles of every kind, many repenting in our Miracle Faith Crusades around the world, many filled with the Holy Ghost... but...I did not know about Baptism in the Name of Jesus Christ so - I was as lost as a blind goose!
I was told later that God gave me the Holy Ghost "ON CREDIT" because He knew that I would eventually... "See The TRUTH"! Hallelujah!
If I had died - I would have been lost on a technicality as many are today!

Someone actually made that statement "Holy Ghost on credit"? ROFL....

TGBTG · #**106** 01-04-2012, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Lost as 2 boys kissing.

Who is lost, the Azusa street brethren?

ThePastorsCoach · #**107** 01-04-2012, 02:41 PM

Pastor Epley - Go take your afternoon nap! ROFL!!!!
You are too riled up! Give us that quote again about - they can do something but they can't go to heaven from here...again. I can't remember it but it was GOOD! ;-)

seekerman · #**108** 01-04-2012, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley View Post
If when you say Jesus you are speaking of the Son born of Mary then His entire natural life but when you say Jesus He is the eternal God and the Son of man.

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Originally Posted by seekerman View Post
Lordy, how many Jesus' are there anyway?

I'm speaking of this Jesus.....

Joh 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 11 Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.

How long do you believe that Jesus was in His Father?

Bump again!