Survey About Doctrinal Beliefs

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

He was giving his opinion on what he was reading, of which, I was in agreement even though I didn't participate in the thread.

Well then, that means you are both speaking lies.

Adino never said he didn't believe in repentance. Calling out Adino for not believing in repentance is a long shot from "giving your opinion."

[OldPathsII]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Sounding just like the Scribes and Pharisees. It's time to pull the mote out of your eye. All this dabbling into other people's lives, judging them by all this rhetoric will blind you.

I've got over 32 years in this Movement, and I have good friends who believe what you believe. They are blind and cannot see the Truth about people because they are choking to death on Standards. Your theology will draw you into your ideas, your take on God, and your opinions about other people which are not accurate.

Let me ask you something, OPII; do you believe obesity is a sin?

And here you go again, walking into the room swinging your stick of hurtful and personally insulting words. Do you mind if I stand up for my beliefs or is it only you that can do that? I happen to be promoting the very basics of the fundamentals of the traditional apostolic heritage. Why throw me into Matthew 7 for that? Are you not judging me just as well for calling me a pharisee?

No, I do not believe obesity is a sin. There are various reasons for it and some happen to have nothing to do with behavior. I do, however, believe that gluttony is a sin.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Socialite

That doesn't answer how you extract tongues-only, exclusive evidence doctrine from scripture where it is never stated as such. Not once. Nowhere. A central new doctrine by Pentecostals in the 21st Century has no scriptural, didactic validation.

Nor does it explain why you don't believe prophecy in the verse in Acts you cited is NOT giving us a sign of Spirit Baptism.

Really? It looked pretty plain to me. I don't know what else to give you, but the same post. The same spirit works all (I Cor 12:4), but we must receive God's Spirit to operate in the Spirit. It's a no-brainer.

[Jermyn Davidson]

Originally Posted by Socialite

My reasons were the exact opposite. Because of my children, I left. Or at least, that was a big motivator for taking action.

Really?

Do your children hear you praying and praying in the Spirit on a regular basis?

Do they hear anyone praying in the Spirit on a regular basis?

Do they know what a prayer room is?

What kind of sermons do they hear, or do they never hear sermons and always go to kid-oriented ministries?

Do your children witness people praising God in song, joy and dance, sometimes?

Do they witness people worshiping the Lord in joy and tears, hands lifted high or face bowed to the ground?

These questions are not asked accusingly.


You see, since coming to the place where I believe what I believe, it has been my experience that here in Orlando, my best chance for my family to know and experience God by the means mentioned above pretty much requires that I stay at my current UPCI church.

The thing is that this church is not even one that would be considered "ultra-conservative" (or else I would leave), but God manifests His Presence here and I want my family to know the Presence of God in the ways mentioned above, and in other ways that I haven't experienced yet.

So I keep attending my UPCI church, digesting meat and spitting out the bones, so that when the Lord blesses me with a family, we have a place where we can go to worship Him.

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by OldPathsII

And here you go again, walking into the room swinging your stick of hurtful and personally insulting words. Do you mind if I stand up for my beliefs or is it only you that can do that? I happen to be promoting the very basics of the fundamentals of the traditional apostolic heritage. Why throw me into Matthew 7 for that? Are you not judging me just as well for calling me a pharisee?

No, I do not believe obesity is a sin. There are various reasons for it and some happen to have nothing to do with behavior. I do, however, believe that gluttony is a sin.

It's Notforsale MO. Just don't respond to it.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Socialite

Well then, that means you are both speaking lies.

Adino never said he didn't believe in repentance. Calling out Adino for not believing in repentance is a long shot from "giving your opinion."

His wording didn't appear to be saying that. It was very thick. I couldn't quite decipher it.

[OldPathsII]

Originally Posted by NotforSale

Can't you see, it's very easy to use the unproven to prove your point? This is the most abusive form of manipulating people.

So faithit66 says that God spoke to him and you respond by saying that proves abuse and manipulation? This is the kind of thing on this forum that I find beyond excuse. A person writes here that God spoke to him and he's attacked and called into question by several, including you and Socailite. Totally uncalled for. Just plain wrong.

[MissBrattified]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

He was giving his opinion on what he was reading, of which, I was in agreement even though I didn't participate in the thread.

I don't agree with Ferd's conclusion either. (Although he's obviously free to post his opinion of Adino's posts.)

I agree with this:

Originally Posted by Adino

Correct. True repentance takes place when the repenting heart turns back to God through faith in Jesus Christ. The heart's conversion to Christ takes place in repentance.

...and I fail to see how it in any way contradicts the first post.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Socialite

That doesn't answer how you extract tongues-only, exclusive evidence doctrine from scripture where it is never stated as such. Not once. Nowhere. A central new doctrine by Pentecostals in the 21st Century has no scriptural, didactic validation. We just know when one is Spirit baptized that something spiritual happens. We are witnesses and observers only. Taking the next step, creating doctrine and dogma by which we deny or welcome people to the Body of Christ makes it even more absurd.

It appears to me that Peter claimed it as such.

Nor does it explain why you don't believe prophecy in the verse in Acts you cited is NOT giving us a sign of Spirit Baptism.

The verse (Acts 19:6) says that they spake in tongues and prophesied. That means that they received, IMO, the Holy Ghost and began to, immediately, operate in the Spirit.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by MissBrattified

I don't agree with Ferd's conclusion either. (Although he's obviously free to post his opinion of Adino's posts.)

I agree with this:



...and I fail to see how it in any way contradicts the first post.

His initial post and this is the wrong thread for this.

1) What further remission do we obtain in the waters of baptism which did not happen on the Cross?

2) Does the teaching of baptismal sin remission declare a disbelief in the sin remitting work of the Cross?

We have a response required on our part.