Charismatic Bishop In Lawsuit.

[Twisp]

Originally Posted by coadie

I am learning something i didn't want to know

lol, agreed.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

They played a clip of the Bishop on the news and MOW is right - he never said he was innocent. Matter of fact, how he said it made me feel like he very well knows it might be a long battle ahead. If I was innocent, I would have said those very words leaving no room for doubt. There was plenty of room left for doubt.

I'm gonna repost what I said in Post #84. I don't understand the problem with his proclaiming that he's not a perfect man. Please consider these possibilities:



Post #84:

There are numerous possibilities as to what his "perfect man" statement could have meant and his lack of complete denial. He may have been referring to his guilt in using a lack of discretion of maybe getting too close to these boys, in the lack of wisdom in sending pictures by cell phone....and who knows....Long is a physical fitness freak...maybe in a discussion he was encouraging someone to take care of himself and sent a picture to show the benefits, that at the age of 57 he looks like he does. Maybe. We don't know. And until we know, I would think we would uncover every possibility of innocence so as not to "rejoice not in another's iniquity."

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

I'm gonna repost what I said in Post #84. I don't understand the problem with his proclaiming that he's not a perfect man. Please consider these possibilities:



Post #84:

There are numerous possibilities as to what his "perfect man" statement could have meant and his lack of complete denial. He may have been referring to his guilt in using a lack of discretion of maybe getting too close to these boys, in the lack of wisdom in sending pictures by cell phone....and who knows....Long is a physical fitness freak...maybe in a discussion he was encouraging someone to take care of himself and sent a picture to show the benefits, that at the age of 57 he looks like he does. Maybe. We don't know. And until we know, I would think we would uncover every possibility of innocence so as not to "rejoice not in another's iniquity."

So what is the low down on the down low?

[ManOfWord]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

No, originally you said you know of this going on in the lives of several BLACK preachers. Here, you just say, "preachers". There was a clear racial distinction, and the implication was, this happens in the lives of black preachers and seemed to imply that it's not as common in the lives of preachers of other races. Did I understand that incorrectly? If so, I'll cease and desist. But if that's what you meant......wow. I see Eddie Long, here, as a human being who is a pastor. His race seems completely irrelevant.

Well, you're wrong. Here is my EXACT quote: "I am personally aware of this type of behavior among some black preachers." Then I said this: "I am not painting with a broad brush, I am only speaking from what I have knowledge of. I know this is a minority who engage is this behavior, but it is NOT behavior that his church folks are clueless about. Maybe clueless regarding him, but not the life style itself."

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Yes, I'd like to hear his clarify his statement....if it needs clarification. If he's saying this is a more common issue among black people, I'll be raising the roof calling for his resignation from the forum or at least an apology and an acknowledgment of error, and I would hope others would join me. I'm saying that, not necessarily at him, but at how out-of-line that concept is. Surely he didn't mean what it appears he meant.

I don't need to clarify anything. I said what I said and couldn't have been more clear in what I meant. I spoke from knowledge, not rumor. I did not categorize anything to anyone.

You can raise the roof all you want, but you don't pay the bills. There will be no apology for what I said, no acknowledgment of error. Sorry to disappoint you!

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

MOW, I know what you are saying and Mr. Smith, he's right. It's a very common thing to hear of this in my area. It's on the news all the time. All denominations of course, but it's an issue that I hear a lot about with COGIC being headquarted here in Memphis.

I will also say that it happens to all races. However, the "down low" thing seems to be a huge issue right now in COGIC.

One incident supposedly happened here in Memphis at the Peabody.

No, he's not right. No matter how one spins it, this is now and has always been a MUCH bigger problem in the caucasian community than the African-American community and for MOW or anyone else to ignore the long-established statistics that are easily accessible (concerning male-male molestation) and attempt to make this a "Black problem" is to either be ignorant of the facts or intentionally racist.

http://childprotection.lifetips.com/...ics/index.html

Look at what it says....white inmates are THREE TIMES MORE LIKELY to have committed this act. I'd like to see a retraction. I think MOW's assertion is horribly misguided at best or bigoted at worst.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by ManOfWord

Well, you're wrong. Here is my EXACT quote: "I am personally aware of this type of behavior among some black preachers." Then I said this: "I am not painting with a broad brush, I am only speaking from what I have knowledge of. I know this is a minority who engage is this behavior, but it is NOT behavior that his church folks are clueless about. Maybe clueless regarding him, but not the life style itself."




I don't need to clarify anything. I said what I said and couldn't have been more clear in what I meant. I spoke from knowledge, not rumor. I did not categorize anything to anyone.

You can raise the roof all you want, but you don't pay the bills. There will be no apology for what I said, no acknowledgment of error. Sorry to disappoint you!

So are you saying this is a more significant problem among blacks than whites?

[DAII]

Very interesting.

[Mr. Smith]

Originally Posted by DAII

Very interesting.

Isn't it, though.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

No, he's not right. No matter how one spins it, this is now and has always been a MUCH bigger problem in the caucasian community than the African-American community and for MOW or anyone else to ignore the long-established statistics that are easily accessible (concerning male-male molestation) and attempt to make this a "Black problem" is to either be ignorant of the facts or intentionally racist.

http://childprotection.lifetips.com/...ics/index.html

Look at what it says....white inmates are THREE TIMES MORE LIKELY to have committed this act. I'd like to see a retraction. I think MOW's assertion is horribly misguided at best or bigoted at worst.

Keep you discussion on Bishop Long. It is he that is the perp and not MOW. Your red herring is not working well.

[DAII]

Originally Posted by Mr. Smith

Isn't it, though.

It sounds like a stereotype ... only founded on personal anecdotes.

Stereotypes often help fuel racism.