Prop 8 overruled by gay judge!

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Mike has this and Mike has this. Let's not get personal. lol Can't we just discuss?

"Fornication" is SEXUAL SIN, and that includes homosexuality, and was Jude's intent, hence my words.

You said Jude indicated it was exclusively "homosexuality." It doesn't appear to be the case in Jude.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Socialite

You said Jude indicated it was exclusively "homosexuality." It doesn't appear to be the case in Jude.

Fornication covers all sexual sin. And Jude was speaking of a specific sexual sin despite his glossing term that covered more. The simple fact is that when you read what Jude read in Genesis about Sodom, it was homosexuality that was explicitly noted. No other sexual sin was noted. And Jude mentions a word that covers homosexuality? And yet he is not thinking of homosexuality? I do not think so.

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Socialite

So your answer is "yes?"

I didn't ask if this sin is the "final frontier" of being "given over." I've asked do you think it's the "greatest of sins?" Scripture please.

Does us living in rebellion to God, giving our bodies over to any unclean practice mar the image of God? And regardless of what it does, all sins are "outside the Kingdom."

Notice in 1 Corithians, homosexuality is listed with all the others.

I never said it is the greatest of all sins. I simply said it has notoriety that other sins do not have. Romans 1 proves that.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by mfblume

Fornication covers all sexual sin. And Jude was speaking of a specific sexual sin despite his glossing term that covered more. The simple fact is that when you read what Jude read in Genesis about Sodom, it was homosexuality that was explicitly noted. No other sexual sin was noted. And Jude mentions a word that covers homosexuality? And yet he is not thinking of homosexuality? I do not think so.

Mike, I can't believe a guy as smart as you is seriously arguing that the city was destroyed explicitly for homosexuality?

Instead of.... great sin that led to things even as perverse as sexual immorality, incest and homosexuality.

The judgement was on sin. The judgement was on a city completely turned away from God. The judgement was on people in full rebellion to God.

You contradict yourself if you think God judged Sodom specifically for this sin but then state you don't believe it's a "greater sin."

[mfblume]

Originally Posted by Socialite

Mike, I can't believe a guy as smart as you is seriously arguing that the city was destroyed explicitly for homosexuality?

Instead of.... great sin that led to things even as perverse as sexual immorality, incest and homosexuality.

The judgement was on sin. The judgement was on a city completely turned away from God. The judgement was on people in full rebellion to God.

You contradict yourself if you think God judged Sodom specifically for this sin but then state you don't believe it's a "greater sin."

The point was that Jude homed in on the sexual sin when he commented that Sodom burned. Why did he do that, Socialite? Jude said it, not me.


Jud 1:7 KJV Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by Socialite

And it seems you've lost some context in your Jude citation:

5Though you already know all this, I want to remind you that the Lord[c] delivered his people out of Egypt, but later destroyed those who did not believe. 6And the angels who did not keep their positions of authority but abandoned their own home—these he has kept in darkness, bound with everlasting chains for judgment on the great Day. 7In a similar way, Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion. They serve as an example of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire.

8In the very same way, these dreamers pollute their own bodies, reject authority and slander celestial beings. 9But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!" 10Yet these men speak abusively against whatever they do not understand; and what things they do understand by instinct, like unreasoning animals—these are the very things that destroy them.

Careful to dig into a "for example" something that it is not. If you want to know why God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah let's turn to Genesis shall we?

Rather than responding to your last post, Mike, I am re-posting this one.

The sub-topic was "sexual immorality and perversion" not just "homosexuality." The primary topic is not homosexuality at all. But a comparison of this group Jude is after and others that were judged by God. It's a warning by Jude to the church. The reasons were multiple --- including unbelief!

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Twisp

No more than a straight judge would be biased, presiding over this case.

why would a straight judge be biased? The law would have not affect him

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Hoovie

I think this could only be true if you accept that homosexuality is not more perverted, immoral and deviant in and of it'self.

And such a view is not inherit of heterosexuals. In fact many Heterosexuals support gay marriage

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Socialite

No, actually it wasn't. There was no such law.

There was no need for a law, marriage was defined by society as a union between a man and a woman.

If marriage has always been defined in the US as a union between same or opposite sexes then why is this only an issue in recent years?

[Socialite]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

And such a view is not inherit of heterosexuals. In fact many Heterosexuals support gay marriage

And there are homosexuals that oppose same-sex marriage!

I see your point about the judge's bias. However, a judge's primary duty is to overcome duty in his interpretation of the law. This has to be demonstrated usually before they are appointed to the State Supreme Court or any other major court. FTR, this particular judge was appointed by Conservatives, and happens to be a constitutional conservative as well.