Oneness Pentecostal Apologetics Conference

[JN Anderson]

Originally Posted by Sam

I don't want to sound negative or like this is a put down but I would be afraid of a "oneness translation" of the Bible. Is our theology so faulty that it cannot be found in translations/versions of the Bible that are accepted by the church world in general? Are we like the JW's who have to have their own translation based on their biases and doctrines? or like the Mormons who have additional scriptures? or like Christian Science which has their Science and Health with key to the scriptures? How would the church world look on us if we came out with our own translation? Wouldn't they think we were adding to or taking from the Word?

Sam, please read my comments before jumping to such conclusions. If you actually read them then you would also know I believe saving truth is in our modern bibles. Oneness scholars have the right and proper initiative for such an endeavor IMHO.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by JN Anderson

The credentials of the NWT translators hasn't been shown. They have it hush hush. THey also demonstrate ignorance of the text of Scripture (John 1:1, Phil 2, etc). You are comparing an apple and an orange. Oneness scholars have just as much right as a Trinitarian to translate. Your bigotry here is obvious. I am not saying we read nothing else but it should be done. It is a responsible thing to do IMHO.

MY bias??? The bias of you and your boys is SO huge that you're going to re-write the bible, for crying out loud. As far as I know, every accepted translation we have was written by "Oneness" people. They ALL believed in ONE GOD. So what's your problem?

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by JN Anderson

I have already mentioned three. I am no translator but I can read English quite well. Trinitarian bias is apparent in such passages 1 John 5:7, 2 Corinthians 13:14, Revelations 1:4. As I suggested earlier this Trinitarian bias is suggested by Trinitarians themselves. See Metzger in Textual Commentary and Comfort in his Textual Commentary.

May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.

This letter is from John to the seven churches in the province of Asia.
Grace and peace to you from the one who is, who always was, and who is still to come; from the sevenfold Spirit[b] before his throne;

Hmmm not seeing the bias...can you point it out to me?

[JN Anderson]

Originally Posted by notofworks

Very serious. I can deal with what's there. Can you?

Yes, that's my point but you are obviously getting lost somewhere.

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Sam

I don't want to sound negative or like this is a put down but I would be afraid of a "oneness translation" of the Bible. Is our theology so faulty that it cannot be found in translations/versions of the Bible that are accepted by the church world in general? Are we like the JW's who have to have their own translation based on their biases and doctrines? or like the Mormons who have additional scriptures? or like Christian Science which has their Science and Health with key to the scriptures? How would the church world look on us if we came out with our own translation? Wouldn't they think we were adding to or taking from the Word?

Why don't you add Trinitarians to that mix? Are they the only ones who are justified in translating the Bible? If there are Oneness scholars who are qualified in Greek and Hebrew, why can't they give it a go?

[JN Anderson]

Originally Posted by notofworks

MY bias??? The bias of you and your boys is SO huge that you're going to re-write the bible, for crying out loud. As far as I know, every accepted translation we have was written by "Oneness" people. They ALL believed in ONE GOD. So what's your problem?

Your problem is that you are not reading or you are not comprehending. Possibly it's both. Again, "the bible" was not inspired in English. Our translations are only versions of the mss we possess.

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by Sam

I don't want to sound negative or like this is a put down but I would be afraid of a "oneness translation" of the Bible. Is our theology so faulty that it cannot be found in translations/versions of the Bible that are accepted by the church world in general? Are we like the JW's who have to have their own translation based on their biases and doctrines? or like the Mormons who have additional scriptures? or like Christian Science which has their Science and Health with key to the scriptures? How would the church world look on us if we came out with our own translation? Wouldn't they think we were adding to or taking from the Word?

Sam, I'm a little removed from the "Oneness scene" so I'm a little behind on all this, but the idea they would do their own bible is freaky scary. I can't even believe what I'm reading. For me, it completely discredits everything they all say, regardless of how smart they try to sound.

And strategically, I think it would be a horrible move. They already battle the "cult" and "sectarian" label and have been barred from the "mainstream" for decades. Can you imagine how bad it'll be if they do their own bible? Good heavens!!!

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by JN Anderson

Sam, please read my comments before jumping to such conclusions. If you actually read them then you would also know I believe saving truth is in our modern bibles. Oneness scholars have the right and proper initiative for such an endeavor IMHO.

Actually it sounds very similar to Mormonism simply reject those passages that don't fit your theology, then reinterpret discredit, and eliminate them.

[Baron1710]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Why don't you add Trinitarians to that mix? Are they the only ones who are justified in translating the Bible? If there are Oneness scholars who are qualified in Greek and Hebrew, why can't they give it a go?

Because there are no where near enough that are qualified to do a translation.

Oh I am sorry where you going to nominate DKB for this then claim he is being defamed when it matches perfectly, Practical Holiness a Second Look?

[notofworks]

Originally Posted by JN Anderson

Your problem is that you are not reading or you are not comprehending. Possibly it's both. Again, "the bible" was not inspired in English. Our translations are only versions of the mss we possess.

Great, so let's all get the original manuscripts, decide which one of the 20,000 is the best, teach everyone Hebrew and Greek, photocopy them and pass them out. That'll take care of it.

It really doesn't matter in what language the bible was inspired. It's the thought of what God has said that matters, and so far, you boys can't accept any of the general thought that has been translated for centuries. You all have wondered SO far from Christian precepts, that you feel the need to write your own bible. That's scary.