I do not believe trinity, but those who believe Jesus is a s distinct and separate person OF YHWH is not believing in more than one YHWH. They believe GOD is a corporate entity, and that means they do not believe in more than one God. They believe GOD is a plurality of persons, not gods. Not separate YHWH's, but distinctions of persons within the ONE YHWH.
Not separate YHWH'S? Then why pray tell do they say in practically ALL of their SOF that they are separate and distinct persons?
Well gee the more I read here the more I suppose I should be seeing that really Trinity aint so bad after all!
Not separate YHWH'S? Then why pray tell do they say in practically ALL of their SOF that they are separate and distinct persons?
You are not even hearing what they are saying nor what I said. If they believe there is ONE YHWH, and YHWH consists of multiple persons, they do not have mote than one YHWH.
It's like saying there is one committee made up of ten people, but there is not many committees due to those ten members. THAT is how trinity sees things, though I disagree. If you cannot see that, then you will never see our point.
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Well gee the more I read here the more I suppose I should be seeing that really Trinity aint so bad after all!
No, you just do not represent the trinity correctly in your refutation of it. It does not mean trinity is better than you thought, though. . It means you are not helping trinitarians see their error when you are unable to even realize what the believe so as to help them think otherwise.
Hoovie is right, bro, and you are wrong. Sorry.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
I see. So, under the new covenant, God actually forgets your sins. Can't remember them. He's all-knowing except for that. Got it.
I doubt you got it, and I think you would agree. Anyway...
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But those sins of the OT times, that's another story. He forgave. But He remembered. "I'll forgive you for killing your boss, but I won't forget! Not for another thousand years, give or take!"
God is weird.
You tread where angels fear to tread. You scare me, bro. Really.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
You are not even hearing what they are saying nor what I said. If they believe there is ONE YHWH, and YHWH consists of multiple persons, they do not have mote than one YHWH.
It's like saying there is one committee made up of ten people, but there is not many committees due to those ten members. THAT is how trinity sees things, though I disagree. If you cannot see that, then you will never see our point.
No, you just do not represent the trinity correctly in your refutation of it. It does not mean trinity is better than you thought, though. . It means you are not helping trinitarians see their error when you are unable to even realize what the believe so as to help them think otherwise.
Hoovie is right, bro, and you are wrong. Sorry.
If the truth is they only believe in one YHWH and that is Yeshua leave them alone.
Having said that I wish it were the truth. However SEPARATE AND DISTINCT YHWH'S does not compute into ONE YHWH.
I never said BTW that they confess three Gods. I said they confess separate and distinct YHWHS.
If the truth is they only believe in one YHWH and that is Yeshua leave them alone.
Still not getting it are you?
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Having said that I wish it were the truth. However SEPARATE AND DISTINCT YHWH'S does not compute into ONE YHWH.
That is because they do not believe in separate and distinct YHWS'. Show me one statement where they say that. They do not. They say separate and distinct persons within THE ONE YAHWEH.
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I never said BTW that they confess three Gods. I said they confess separate and distinct YHWHS.
Show me where they ever said that. Maybe some did and I never heard of it. Show me. I'll pretend I am from Missouri.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
Well first of all, when I used the term "Apostolic" I am speaking of the historical context of the word as used in a particular movement that began with the Pentecostal movement and later to a rejection of the Trinity and a trinitarian form of baptism.
A similar question would be, can one be Trinitarian and not believe in the Trinity? The answer is no.
Clearly most voters here recognize the historical context of the "Apostolic movement" ie Oneness Pentecostalism, includes the recognition of the Deity of Christ
Lastly, I challenge you to quote anyone saying Jesus is NOT the Son of God.
In any case, given your reply, I am assuming you deny the Deity of Christ?
BTW did you vote?
Prax,
I unequivically believe that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself. Is that enough deity for you to allow me to vote YES?
I believe in the deity of the Christ, the deity is the anointing that resulted in the anointed one; the Christos being Christos.
I do NOT believe GOD BECAME a man.
I believe God's word was made flesh at the conception in Mary's womb.
Peter's revelation from above was not "thou art the Christ, the living God"
but rather,
thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God.
God could have made your poll a lot more Apostolic Onenesss sounding if he had given Peter a revelation that left out the word "Son".
So Prax, if you tell me it is OK to vote YES, knowing that I believe that God was IN CHRIST, just let me know and I will log in an vote.
I wonder if God is Apostolic according to this poll?
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Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath [James 1:19]
"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
I didn't realize this thread would go so long, judging from the question in the title. Am I missing something? Is there someone who has not recognized the Divinity of Jesus Christ?
. It means you are not helping trinitarians see their error when you are unable to even realize what the believe so as to help them think otherwise.
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