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Re: Screaming Preaching?
He does mention the UPC by name but what he says about the UPC is not exactly right.
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05-27-2010, 12:26 AM
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Re: Screaming Preaching?
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JTULLOCK, I like MD, but he is a diehard trinitarian--no doubt about it. He specifically refers to the "trinitarian God of the Bible", which is a confusing reference to put it lightly.
There is no way that he is even remotely in line with oneness theology. He specifically refutes modalism/Sabellianism/oneness in this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1nsY2iUiF0
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Refutes? Nah. Contradicts, maybe. Regurgitated trinitarian talking points are a sad attempt at refutation. He can't "play all three roles at the same time"? Good thing we have MD to tell God what He is and is not capable of.
SIMULTANEOUS MANIFESTATIONS for the millionth time.
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05-27-2010, 12:27 AM
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Re: Screaming Preaching?
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Refutes? Nah. Contradicts, maybe. Regurgitated trinitarian talking points are a sad attempt at refutation.
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I should have said that he specifically "calls out" modalism/Sabellianism/oneness.  You're right, he didn't actually refute anything.
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05-27-2010, 12:28 AM
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Re: Screaming Preaching?
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He does mention the UPC by name but what he says about the UPC is not exactly right.
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Yes--see my post above. It was a pretty bad misrepresentation of what we believe.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
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"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
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05-27-2010, 12:29 AM
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Re: Screaming Preaching?
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I didn't appreciate his remarks about oneness theology and the UPCI in particular because I think he "dumbed it down" and somewhat misrepresented what we believe. We don't call ourselves Jesus only, and most oneness people do call the Father--the Father, the Son--the Son, and the Holy Ghost--the Holy Ghost. For instance, I've never heard a single oneness person refer to "Jesus the Father", or "Jesus the Holy Ghost." I've never heard anyone claim that "Jesus" overshadowed Mary. So in the context of verbiage, oneness theology treats the "roles" distinctly.
Plus, he illustrates a side of trinitarian doctrine that some people on this forum deny exists: the firm belief that there are three, distinct persons in the godhead.
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Agreed, sort of. I don't think he dumbed it down. I think flat missed it. I am not hurt about what he said about the UPC because it wasn't even correct.
What he said about the 'persons' is nothing different than what many "trinitarians" say. It is a missrepresentation of what what I believe he is trying to say. I say that because after he talks about the UPC he refutes Tritheism. Tritheism is what a lot of people on here believe all trinitarians are.
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05-27-2010, 12:31 AM
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Re: Screaming Preaching?
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Yes--see my post above. It was a pretty bad misrepresentation of what we believe.
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Yeah. This is just misinformation at best. Just like many people in the UPC talk about trinitarians out of ignorance because they really don't know or understand.
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05-27-2010, 12:33 AM
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Re: Screaming Preaching?
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NOW, you should try this next Sunday. I like what he said because it is true. But all men are still boys at times.
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Never. I would never speak down to people like that.
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05-27-2010, 12:33 AM
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Never. I would never speak down to people like that.
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I know that. You are much better than that. Did you listen to the God head sermon?
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05-27-2010, 12:36 AM
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Re: Screaming Preaching?
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Agreed, sort of. I don't think he dumbed it down. I think flat missed it. I am not hurt about what he said about the UPC because it wasn't even correct. What he said about the 'persons' is nothing different than what many "trinitarians" say. It is a missrepresentation of what what I believe he is trying to say. I say that because after he talks about the UPC he refutes Tritheism. Tritheism is what a lot of people on here believe all trinitarians are.
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How did he refute Tritheism? I didn't hear him even reference Tritheism.
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--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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05-27-2010, 12:38 AM
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Re: Screaming Preaching?
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Yeah. This is just misinformation at best. Just like many people in the UPC talk about trinitarians out of ignorance because they really don't know or understand.
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Agreed!
However there are rank and file "trinitarians" who take this sort of teaching from their Pastors to mean three seperate gods. There are also "Oneness" people I've met who don't understand the Truth either and believe that God died on the cross and the Universe was without God for three days.
I suggest good solid Godhead Bible studies in both camps so the rank and file at least know what they're supposed to believe.
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