Holy Ghost Hokey Pokey - Page 11

MissBrattified · #**101** 03-02-2010, 10:39 PM

The reason conversations like this will go in circles forever is because there's right on both sides. Is the experience emphasized over God too often? Yes. Is it okay to have an emotional experience with God? Yes. Does having an emotional reaction with God invalidate or validate the encounter? No and no. Does being devout mean avoiding our human emotions in a quest for some higher plane? No. Jesus wept. Remember? God likes exuberant, outward praise and worship and music...Remember? [Psalms] Does exuberant praise sometimes get out of hand because the participants are human? Yes. Do we need leaders who know the difference and know how to keep balance? Yes. Remember the Israelites in the wilderness with their golden calf?

The best thing to remember with a topic like this is that while you can see something may be off-kilter in a situation, you still can't adequately judge the motives of every person involved. Ergo, you can't justifiably call a worship leader (or musician) a manipulator just because people got worked up into a frenzy because the music was fast. Often, people get worked up all on their own--again, that can be alright, and sometimes it can be indecent and out of order. It's a hard call. But yet, most of us know in an instant when something is "off."

MissBrattified · #**102** 03-02-2010, 10:43 PM

Higher plane or plain? I can't remember. *too tired* LOL!

Pressing-On · #**103** 03-02-2010, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

The reason conversations like this will go in circles forever is because there's right on both sides. Is the experience emphasized over God too often? Yes. Is it okay to have an emotional experience with God? Yes. Does having an emotional reaction with God invalidate or validate the encounter? No and no. Does being devout mean avoiding our human emotions in a quest for some higher plain? No. Jesus wept. Remember? God likes exuberant, outward praise and worship and music...Remember? [Psalms] Does exuberant praise sometimes get out of hand because the participants are human? Yes. Do we need leaders who know the difference and know how to keep balance? Yes. Remember the Israelites in the wilderness with their golden calf?

The best thing to remember with a topic like this is that while you can see something may be off-kilter in a situation, you still can't adequately judge the motives of every person involved. Ergo, you can't justifiably call a worship leader (or musician) a manipulator just because people got worked up into a frenzy because the music was fast. Often, people get worked up all on their own--again, that can be alright, and sometimes it can be indecent and out of order. It's a hard call. But yet, most of us know in an instant when something is "off."

Right, I felt that on the Hokey Pokey song.

Pressing-On · #**104** 03-02-2010, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MissBrattified

Higher plane or plain? I can't remember. *too tired* LOL!

I'm too tired to care either! But, it's plane.

MissBrattified · #**105** 03-02-2010, 10:46 PM

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I'm too tired to care either! But, it's plane.

Okay...I edited my post...again. LOL

Pressing-On · #**106** 03-02-2010, 10:47 PM

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Okay...I edited my post...again. LOL

If you had done the Hokey Pokey, you would have gotten it right in the first place!!!

MissBrattified · #**107** 03-02-2010, 10:49 PM

I'm going to BED. You and TM enjoy your merry-go-round.

Pressing-On · #**108** 03-02-2010, 10:50 PM

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I'm going to BED. You and TM enjoy your merry-go-round.

I'm waiting for the Primary to be totally over. LOL!

TroubleMaker · #**109** 03-02-2010, 11:02 PM

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The reason conversations like this will go in circles forever is because there's right on both sides. No. Jesus wept. Remember? God likes exuberant, outward praise and worship and music...Remember?

What?? There was wrong on her side and right on my side.

Yes, Jesus wept. But NO ONE demanded that he weep. For me, that's ALL the difference. A true "Worship Leader" is one who leads by worshiping, not the Gary Oliver types who repeatedly yell, "I dare you to......", or, "I can't hear ya!!", or Anthony who tells us to "make the devil mad."

No one demanded anything, worship-wise, in the bible. And when the demands start, the worship stops.

As I've stated, I don't like either of the scenarios being discussed. But honestly, if I could tolerate either, I'd clearly do the Hokey-pokey first.

(sorry, I just pictured myself doing the hokey-pokey and had a laughing fit)

Pressing-On · #**110** 03-02-2010, 11:18 PM

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Hey, PO. Did any of your twitter friends mention what night that was?

I'm sorry, I forgot your post. LOL! No, she didn't say what night. Here are some of the comments.

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I watch it and yes UGH! I didn't think anything could top watching God fill peoples mouth with gold (minus a dentist) and the fame Toronto holy ghost laughter of some years ago. This **** is sad!!!!!

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I am alarmed and disgusted!!!

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Not everyone who says "Lord Lord" is a "fellow believer".

And the sooner we all accept that the sooner we can remove a huge tool from Satan's toolbox.

For too long we have willingly taken at face value anyone who says "hey I'm a Christian".... See More

The Bible clearly warns us of people making false professions and leaders that are wolves in sheep's clothing. For centuries the Deceiver has built up one potempkin village after another so that when a non Christian hears the word "Christian" they think of a myriad of false teachings.

We need to be able to clearly say "They may SAY they are a part of what we stand for but that does NOT make it so." And be able to show how what they are doing is in direct conflict with what Scripture teaches.

Pray for them, minister to them, but don't ever mistake what their leader are peddling as true Christianity.

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Sigh. This has to be at IHOP. Makes me embarrassed to say I'm from Kansas City.

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Wow. Makes me think of other "artifacts of apostasy" (strong words, I know) on display at the Museum of Idolatry (http://www.alittleleaven.com/).

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I just saw a news video about a nudist church. Most of the naked "worshipers" were obese. Perhaps I'll request government money to do a study to determine why that's the case.

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If anybody can get in touch with the pastor you can invite him to my new deliverance service. Promises to deliver you from the gate of hell. Here's how it works, you get a good collar grip of the one needing deliverance and with your free hand you SLAP THE *** OUT THEM! Some may need more than one application. Sorry....lol

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For a long time, I heard that the "Hokey Pokey"was a protestant song making fun of the bodily devotions of the Catholic (kneeling, sign of the cross, standing, etc.) but then I saw that that was just an urban myth. Maybe this is that "church"s way to counter some of the hokey pokey stereotype? I don't know, but that kind of junk is why I'm very against charismatic-type worship. It can quickly devolve into goofiness.