An apology to Digging4Truth and Edward Anglin

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Welllllll, since you asked.....

I was just wondering if anyone here really believes that scripture and others like it. It seems that nobody believes that Jesus meant what He said, exactly as it is written. And I agree, actually. It would be foolish to take no thought for tomorrow. I believe in buying groceries, saving money for contingencies, retirement planning, etc.

Of course, I know you guys do believe what Jesus said. (You have to.) You just need to spin it somehow, and turn it into something non-literal. Make it a general principle of some kind, like "trust God for everything -- and that would include trusting Him to give you wisdom on how to take thought for tomorrow, to make sure the morrow takes care of itself". Or something.

Yes sir... I do believe the scriptures you quoted.

I also believe that we live a lifestyle that is far and above what God is speaking of in those scriptures as well.

I don't feel that God is saying... no matter how high you live I will maintain that. So what I see in it is that I have been living a lifestyle far different from any lifestyle God was speaking of in those scriptures.

I believe that God would take care of me if I lived a lifestyle where I took no care for tomorrow but one cannot live a lifestyle that takes no care for tomorrow when there are mortgages to pay and car notes to pay. One must take care for tomorrow in those cases. The choices we have made create cares that will be waiting on us when the sun rises tomorrow.

So I truly believe those scriptures are true but I also believe that they also call to a life where we owe no man and have nothing of this world tieing us down. We are not living that life.

God can provide for our every need... but few want to live a life that has no care for tomorrow because that life can't be had without mortgages, other debts & light bills.

Let me know if I have failed to explain my stance on those scriptures sufficiently.

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Yes sir... I do believe the scriptures you quoted.

I also believe that we live a lifestyle that is far and above what God is speaking of in those scriptures as well.

I don't feel that God is saying... no matter how high you live I will maintain that. So what I see in it is that I have been living a lifestyle far different from any lifestyle God was speaking of in those scriptures.

I believe that God would take care of me if I lived a lifestyle where I took no care for tomorrow but one cannot live a lifestyle that takes no care for tomorrow when there are mortgages to pay and car notes to pay. One must take care for tomorrow in those cases. The choices we have made create cares that will be waiting on us when the sun rises tomorrow.

So I truly believe those scriptures are true but I also believe that they also call to a life where we owe no man and have nothing of this world tieing us down. We are not living that life.

God can provide for our every need... but few want to live a life that has no care for tomorrow because that life can't be had without mortgages, other debts & light bills.

Let me know if I have failed to explain my stance on those scriptures sufficiently.

I think I see, thanks.

Are you working toward achieving that kind of life? What would it be like, anyway? Would there be any money in a savings account? Retirement plan and/or a 401K? Would there be a garden? Livestock?

But all of that would be taking care for the morrow, wouldn't it?

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

Yes sir... I do believe the scriptures you quoted.

I also believe that we live a lifestyle that is far and above what God is speaking of in those scriptures as well.

I don't feel that God is saying... no matter how high you live I will maintain that. So what I see in it is that I have been living a lifestyle far different from any lifestyle God was speaking of in those scriptures.

I believe that God would take care of me if I lived a lifestyle where I took no care for tomorrow but one cannot live a lifestyle that takes no care for tomorrow when there are mortgages to pay and car notes to pay. One must take care for tomorrow in those cases. The choices we have made create cares that will be waiting on us when the sun rises tomorrow.

So I truly believe those scriptures are true but I also believe that they also call to a life where we owe no man and have nothing of this world tying us down. We are not living that life.

God can provide for our every need... but few want to live a life that has no care for tomorrow because that life can't be had without mortgages, other debts & light bills.

Let me know if I have failed to explain my stance on those scriptures sufficiently.

I agree. It's like wanting prayer for a headache when you are drinking Dr. Pepper all day. That's pretty simple. LOL!

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Timmy

I think I see, thanks.

Are you working toward achieving that kind of life? What would it be like, anyway? Would there be any money in a savings account? Retirement plan and/or a 401K? Would there be a garden? Livestock?

But all of that would be taking care for the morrow, wouldn't it?

I am fixing to have to go and get some feed before the feed store closes so this will be my last post tonight... or at least for a few hours.

You have made me study into this and there is something about these scriptures that we would do well to notice.

This discourse begins in Chapter 5 when Jesus sets his disciples down (most of whom would be the apostles in the future) and taught them saying these things. So he was giving instruction to people who were going to be traveling from city to city... from nation to nation... taking this gospel.

Among his words to these men we find these thoughts also...

Mat 10:7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Mat 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.
Mat 10:9 Provide neither gold, nor silver, nor brass in your purses,
Mat 10:10 Nor scrip for [your] journey, neither two coats, neither shoes, nor yet staves: for the workman is worthy of his meat.
Mat 10:11 And into whatsoever city or town ye shall enter, enquire who in it is worthy; and there abide till ye go thence.

So I think it is noteworthy to see that he is instructing people who will be traveling the world taking the Gospel. He is telling them to not worry about providing for themselves but just go and God would take care of the rest. There were no PIM's allowed for in this plan.

But, while I do feel that much that is said in this discourse contains wisdom we could all glean from, I don't think that many of the specifics were given as instructions that every single christian would find themselves compelled to live by.

For instance... I don't feel that God was telling every christian that goes to another town to go there with no money and no extra change of clothes. Your average christian going to another town might be visiting family and they need to to bring extra clothes and money etc.

I hope I am not being too confusing or appearing too evasive on this. I will explain more as you present your thoughts and what you see in what I am saying. This discourse has already taught me some new things and i look forward to learning more as we continue to volley our thoughts.

Thanks again.

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

I am fixing to have to go and get some feed before the feed store closes so this will be my last post tonight... or at least for a few hours.

You have made me study into this and there is something about these scriptures that we would do well to notice.

This discourse begins in Chapter 5 when Jesus sets his disciples down (most of whom would be the apostles in the future) and taught them saying these things. So he was giving instruction to people who were going to be traveling from city to city... from nation to nation... taking this gospel.

Among his words to these men we find these thoughts also...



So I think it is noteworthy to see that he is instructing people who will be traveling the world taking the Gospel. He is telling them to not worry about providing for themselves but just go and God would take care of the rest. There were no PIM's allowed for in this plan.

But, while I do feel that much that is said in this discourse contains wisdom we could all glean from, I don't think that many of the specifics were given as instructions that every single christian would find themselves compelled to live by.

For instance... I don't feel that God was telling every christian that goes to another town to go there with no money and no extra change of clothes. Your average christian going to another town might be visiting family and they need to to bring extra clothes and money etc.

I hope I am not being too confusing or appearing too evasive on this. I will explain more as you present your thoughts and what you see in what I am saying. This discourse has already taught me some new things and i look forward to learning more as we continue to volley our thoughts.

Thanks again.

Interesting thoughts.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

This is one time when being right brings absolutely no gleeful satisfaction.

It's a mess. A big, bloody mess.

It was a mess before Obama took office, and it's an even bigger mess now.

The average American has no idea what's coming.

I agree and I have been sounding this warning for some time. I know of 3 different people that do not even know each other have the same experience. Walking in a grocery store and seeing all the shelves empty. Although it was a vision they all saw the same thing.

I wish this is something we could be wrong on, I really, really do.

[Esther]

The scripture the Lord keeps impressing on me, is the widow with the barrel of meal and oil that never ended. It was supernatural. She first of all had to step out in faith and give the last she had to the prophet, THEN God blessed her and sustained her.

[Esther]

Originally Posted by StMark

Well, all I have to say is, the majority of you voted for Obama (except Ferd) so It's a little too late to be complaining now.

I knew people would regret it but they got caught up in all the 'change" hoopla without facing the truth of what was to come

NOT SO!

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Esther

I agree and I have been sounding this warning for some time. I know of 3 different people that do not even know each other have the same experience. Walking in a grocery store and seeing all the shelves empty. Although it was a vision they all saw the same thing.

I wish this is something we could be wrong on, I really, really do.

Yep... isn't that something we would willingly and happily start a thread on entitled... I WAS WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Esther

NOT SO!

Indeed... not so.