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Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Again I am not promoting the gay thing but what scripture do we have to say it is wrong..I know all the scripture about husband and wife.... but what scripture is there against gays stating that it is wrong...

Leviticus 20:13 KJV If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

Romans 1:26-27 KJV For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: (27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

[KWSS1976]

Leviticus 20:13 I do not get gays lesbians out of that scripture as far as Romans 1:26-27I will read in a min..

[KWSS1976]

As far as romans go those people were not worshipping God see read scripture that is not in refrence to today....

18The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
21For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

24Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.

26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

28Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

[KWSS1976]

Looks to me like God made these people like this cause they were not worshipping him.....Has nothing to do with it being a sin to be gay or lesbian..Once again I am not taking up for them but I will not quote scripture just to satisfy the "church crowd"

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

I believe children being in a home where spousal or domestic abuse is openly advocated and practiced is abusive to those children - regardless of other circumstances....but hey, at least they have a mother and father, right?

Who doesn't believe it's abusive for them to be in a home where domestic violence exists? Does anyone here NOT believe that?

What is your point?

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

Jeff, be honest. I never made that comment above nor even implied it.

Save me the time to copy/paste and just re-read the thread, Heavenly.

I don't think I was pulling anything out of context.

Maybe you should remind me of your point again then?

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

I'm still trying to get someone to tell me how sexual orientation affects the parenting skills of an individual.

In fact, don't even go back to read the post, just read the above statements. Sexual orientation matters nothing with the nurturing of a child = same as traditional family. No difference here.

You have a habit to keep talking out of both sides. Just say what you mean, and mean what you say.

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Again I am not promoting the gay thing but what scripture do we have to say it is wrong..I know all the scripture about husband and wife.... but what scripture is there against gays stating that it is wrong...

My friend, this is a crazy question. You're savvy at Google. Don't even bother picking up your Bible, just Google and you'll find plenty of resources at your finger tips. Are we really having the conversation "What is wrong with homosexuality" on this thread?

[KWSS1976]

I quoted scripture above jeffery out of the bible as a matter of fact I used the two portions of scripture given by blume..

[Jeffrey]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Sure it can. It is in no way optimal, or preferable and certainly not easy, but as a matter of necessity, it is doable. Single parents, whether they be woman or man, have always existed and many have done exemplary jobs.

They can't. They offer a substitute, but a mommy will never provide the things daddy can provide. Realizing this is a key point for counseling single parents or they will find frustration a familiar thing.