Not to say the study is wrong or anything, I think it shows beyond a doubt that homeschooling yields comparable test scores.
But, I would be interested to see what the average economic status of those homeschooled kids were and compare that to all the scores from that economic status. If I was to guess, I would guess that the difference can probably be described more in terms of some factor such as economic status than that they were home schooled. But like I said, it leaves no doubt for me that homeschooling is comparable. I would also be very interested to see some statistics on how many homeschooled kids go to college and how many of them get college degrees.
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I just had a thought. I know there are books on every subject. But isn't there a reason high school teachers are required to earn a 4 year degree with alot of classes taken in the field they want to teach?
A lot, no. And have you taken any college courses lately? My children study with me...and are not challenged. They're in elementary school. Something is wrong.....
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Does anyone honestly believe that they can do a better job teaching all those various subjects than a high school with teachers who are highly educated in their respective subject areas?
They're not highly educated.
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Can someone who has never had Calculus really prepare a child to take it? Can someone who has never had Physics really explain how all those equations are derived? Can someone who has never had Chemistry really explain chemical bonds and these types of things?
Providing exposure and opportunities does not mean being able to teach all subject matters yourself. There are a lot of things my children are interested in that I can't really teach them. So I make sure to find someone who can.
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Sure, there are books that explain all these things...
But does anyone honestly think that a book by itself can do a better job teaching those kinds of subjects than an actual teacher who has focused on that field?
How do you think the teachers learn the material? Just cuz the books cost a fortune doesn't make them any more than words on paper...
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No offense to you MissB, but do you think your kids will learn just as much about English, Math, Science and History as students that go to High School?
I mean I can understand that lower grade children could definately get a comparable education to that of other lower grade level children. But once they reach high school do you think the quality of a homeschool education will stay comparable?
As already pointed out, it's not comparable. Not in any way.
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Also, wouldn't the perception of an accredited High School degree be viewed as better than a HomeSchool degree when it comes to getting into college or getting a job?
My homeschool degree has not hurt me in any way. My GED scores have opened up doors that would have been closed with only a traditional diploma.
To be fair, my children are currently in public school. I would love to home school again, but I can't afford to pay childcare, nor would I choose to leave children home alone, while I work full time. And I am in school full time, to be a high school teacher.
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Right--and that's the case whether it's at home or at a public school. My daughter's 6th grade teacher nearly ruined her--not just academically, but her confidence as well. I can't believe we let her stay all year.
Do you have stats to back up this statement? In my experience, that is most definitely not the case.
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Right--and that's the case whether it's at home or at a public school. My daughter's 6th grade teacher nearly ruined her--not just academically, but her confidence as well. I can't believe we let her stay all year.
Do you have stats to back up this statement? In my experience, that is most definitely not the case.
As far as the diploma, I'm sure a schools accreditation's would matter. However I would say in those cases, they rely much more heavily on the ACT/SAT scores to evaluate potential students.
How exactly are Home Schooled kids awarded diplomas?
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As far as the diploma, I'm sure a schools accreditation's would matter. However I would say in those cases, they rely much more heavily on the ACT/SAT scores to evaluate potential students.
How exactly are Home Schooled kids awarded diplomas?
I was given a diploma *by my mother* that would have been accepted at any college in the state I graduated. But because home school laws are so different from state to state, and the state I eventually went to college in did not have any requirements for homeschooling, I had to also earn a GED. It's made absolutely no difference for me in any way with regards to admissions, scholarships, or opportunities.
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Interesting Hoovie.
Not to say the study is wrong or anything, I think it shows beyond a doubt that homeschooling yields comparable test scores.
But, I would be interested to see what the average economic status of those homeschooled kids were and compare that to all the scores from that economic status. If I was to guess, I would guess that the difference can probably be described more in terms of some factor such as economic status than that they were home schooled. But like I said, it leaves no doubt for me that homeschooling is comparable. I would also be very interested to see some statistics on how many homeschooled kids go to college and how many of them get college degrees.
I would guess economic status MAY have an impact. However, we should remember most Homeschooled families are surviving on a one parent income.
As far as the stats for homeschoolers going to college and getting degrees. I don't know what they are - but I am very much in favor. That is in part why I started the PHSF (Pentecostal Homeschool Scholarship Fund). Lord willing we will award our first of many Scholarship within a few months.
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Interesting Hoovie.
Not to say the study is wrong or anything, I think it shows beyond a doubt that homeschooling yields comparable test scores.
But, I would be interested to see what the average economic status of those homeschooled kids were and compare that to all the scores from that economic status. If I was to guess, I would guess that the difference can probably be described more in terms of some factor such as economic status than that they were home schooled. But like I said, it leaves no doubt for me that homeschooling is comparable. I would also be very interested to see some statistics on how many homeschooled kids go to college and how many of them get college degrees.
The stats I posted above regarding voting, community activism, and overall satisfaction with life should be relevant.
"Research shows that high achievement on the ACT strongly indicates a greater likelihood of success in college. According to official ACT reports, homeschooled students repeatedly outperform publicly and privately educated students in the ACT assessment test. "What you can say about the homeschoolers is that homeschooled kids are well-prepared for college," says Kelley Hayden, a spokesman for ACT." --Source
It appears that there aren't any good statistics about the percentage of homeschoolers who go on to college (because the exact number of homeschooled children is not known); however, just among the families I know locally, I would guesstimate 50%, easily (that's a conservative figure). Compare that to public school graduates of which only about 35% go from high school to college.
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Thanks for the lesson MissB. Not that I agree with everything you've brought up, but you have convinced me that with the right circumstances and the right parents it is definetly a comparable option to high school.
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Count our family among the home educators represented here at Happytown AFF.
Let the credential-ladden, all-wise and all-knowing ones do whatever they want with their own children and maybe, just maybe, they will one day admit that the main thing for success of every student is the student's attitude toward learning....not the delivery system.
The education machine is just one among many illustrations where man attempts to displace the individual as the centerpoint and substitute a mass production approach to achieve some monolithic outcome in support of the engineered society's goals; sort of like the secular world's version of our familar church clubs.
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