Universal Health Care

[CC1]

Atilla the Socialized Healthcare Hun,

I think the revelation that you are a government employee says it all !!!!!

No wonder you have the perspective you do.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Bro, it's modeled after the plan currently existing for those in Congress. We can see how much it will cost by estimating the group rates that the government would get with the industry if it took up the American people and handled their polices as they do those in Congress. It's not rocket science.

Hmmm....let's see. How does Congress reflecct overall America? It is mostly well educated wealthy white men and women.

That is not the demographic that would represent health care costs in America.

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Bro, it's modeled after the plan currently existing for those in Congress. We can see how much it will cost by estimating the group rates that the government would get with the industry if it took up the American people and handled their polices as they do those in Congress. It's not rocket science.

Aquila, sorry but it won't work like that. In the end itwill cost more than you ever could imagine. Always does!

[CC1]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

Aquila, sorry but it won't work like that. In the end itwill cost more than you ever could imagine. Always does!

He revealed he is a government employee so I don't think he thinks like most tax payers do who realize just how ineffecient the government does things.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by CC1

Atilla the Socialized Healthcare Hun,

I think the revelation that you are a government employee says it all !!!!!

No wonder you have the perspective you do.

And you aren't a government employee...it also appears that you know next to nothing about the plans available to us. That says it all! lol

As a government employee I currently pay $40 a month for my health insurance through United Health Care and I can choose my physician. It's a "government plan" that's subsidized after having secured the group rates available for government employees with UHC. I live with what we're tying to offer you guys. When I take my son or wife to the doctor (no co-pays by the way) I see how it works. Frankly my insurance premium would go up about $40 and my taxes would increase by about $100 a month if we extended this sort of thing to you guys. I'd stand to loose bro... but you and the average American working for corporate America would save big time.

If you don't want it that's cool. What do you pay in premiums every month?

I only pay $40!

So... you can display bias... but you can't refute the facts.

(And before you start complaining...I pay taxes too.)

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by CC1

He revealed he is a government employee so I don't think he thinks like most tax payers do who realize just how ineffecient the government does things.

There are two basic premises in any discussion on the concept of universal health care, government programs, socialism, and economics:

1) People work harder and more efficently if they are able to keep more of what they make and.....

2) People make more informed, careful, and conservative decisions and purchases when they are forced to spend their OWN money.

Understanding, or not understanding, those two basic principles makes ALL the difference of where you fall on any of the above debates.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

There are two basic premises in any discussion on the concept of universal health care, government programs, socialism, and economics:

1) People work harder and more efficently if they are able to keep more of what they make and.....

Hey Randy, what do you pay in premiums every month and what are your co-pays?
I pay only $40 a month toward my premium and I don’t pay co-pays.

I used to pay nearly $275 a month in premiums and $20 co-pays when I worked for LexisNexis supporting Congressional Information Systems ten years ago. That’s a big motivator for me…that’s called keeping more of my own money….and it’s a government plan like what’s being discussed.

2) People make more informed, careful, and conservative decisions and purchases when they are forced to spend their OWN money.

My family sees our doctor at least once a quarter. We’re well aware of our health and we’re in excellent condition. My mother and my buddy Rob demonstrate the opposite of what you’re talking about. My mother didn’t have insurance and so she couldn’t go get checked out when she first started having “spells” and symptoms. She let them go and just took some over the counter pain killer. She died of a massive heart attack almost two years ago. Had she had insurance they might have caught her condition early enough to treat it. My buddy Rob has a plan that is largely based on the HSA plan provided by his employer. He has a $4,000 deductible HSA plan. His employer frontloads the HSA with $1000 dollars each year and he contributes to the remaining $3,000 dollar deductible via deductions from his paycheck…in addition to paying nearly $400 a month with $20 co-pays. Needless to say with a family of four he doesn’t get to put as much into the HSA as he’d like so he can’t cover the deductible. His 2 year old daughter got sick a few years ago and was running a pretty high temperature. They were able to bring it down with over the counter meds. He had to make “more informed, careful, and conservative decisions” regarding this situation. He didn’t want to spend money out of his HSA that might be needed later for something more serious. So he looked up how to treat a fever on the internet and treated her with over the counter medications. Well…now she’s in school. When she was first in school they noticed a problem. She had hearing damage. They had her checked out and apparently she has scar tissue in her ear from a pretty bad “untreated” infection. She hadn’t been really sick since that time when he decided to treat her at home to save money. It’s pretty much agreed upon that her hearing loss is the result of them trying to manage their medical spending account so that they would have the money to cover a more serious condition.

Here’s the REALITY. You can’t make informed, careful, and conservative decisions regarding your health UNTIL YOU’VE SEEN A DOCTOR. It’s common sense really. But right wing ideologues like Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity have chanted this so long through the conservative media that people parrot it all over the place without really thinking about it logically.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by CC1

He revealed he is a government employee so I don't think he thinks like most tax payers do who realize just how ineffecient the government does things.

I pay taxes too.

[ILG]

Originally Posted by citizen

Health Insurance is very expensive.

What are the cons of free or very low health insurance for everyone?

Shouldnt everyone get the same kind of medical wether they can afford it or not?

Exactly why would anyone be against it?

It seems like the Christian thing to do.

My Canadian cousin died of ovarian cancer at age 25. She couldn't get in to see a doctor for 6 months because of her age. They diagnosed her by her age before they saw her.

[Aquila]

Here’s another point.

If you’re a business owner you no longer have to worry about contributing to your employee’s premiums or providing a health care plan for employees. You’re time and money is freed up for you to do what you do best…business.